ATLAS II 4spd on the way!!! :)

[ASTAR]

OK so I just ordered my new 4 spd atlas transfercase for my 2 door JK. The low gear selection will be 2.72:1, 3.8:1, & 10.34:1. 10.43:1!!! Woo hoo!!!
From then it is the Rubicon Express 5.5" Long Arm kit, 18x10 wheels, 37x13.50 NItto tires, and some stronger steering.
Later it will be getting a new front Dana 44 with CTM u-joints, and both axles will get gears, ARB's, and chromoly shafts.
I just got my Jeep and I got the bug BAD already!!!
Stay tuned.

[Duke]

10.43:1!!!

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

[joemauma]

Your purchase priorities are all completely backwards.

[ASTAR]

Your purchase priorities are all completely backwards.

How is that so???

BTW, nice first post DS

[ASTAR]

Yeah I considered that route but here is my thinking...originally I was going to just do the lift wheels and tires so it would be cooler looking and fun to drive. Then when it came to doing new drivelines and such, it got me thinking...if I do even some mild wheeling like the Rubicon (not the box) with this thing like this, the tranny and eveything else will suffer from the lack of gearing and 37's. If I do axles and run the stock gearing with 37's, yeah the axles won't break but the tranny will likely fail, an expense I don't want to deal with. Sooo, I decided to do the Atlas. Yeah, I know I will have to be VERY gentle on the axles but I am not locking the front (or the rear till I get chromo shafts) and that will help. I don't plan to run the 10:1 without first doing the 44 front, just the 3.8. So basically, this will be for running easy trails or actually using bypasses for once in my life, once in a while, untill I get the axles built. When I do get some built axles in there, it will be done...untill I go extreme with it like my old TJ.
I have seen a lockrite locked dana 30 (Gary Smith from the Pirates) hold up to some 35" boggers, and then some 38's. He just drove with some finess. Not a problem for me.
And yes Doc, I will be building an old style RC 44 for it with CTM, chromo's, warns, arb, and probably cryo'd gears.
Sooooo...to answer your question...yes, he is wrong. He doesn't know me, how I drive, what my plan is or anything else. I have PLENTY of wheeling experience and know what I am doing. Making it cool and fun to drive and preping it to be pretty serious for the future.

[Audiophiliac]

ATLAS FTW! Nice! I say its your Jeep. Do what you want to it when you want to do it. There is no wrong order to build it in. As long as it gets you where you want to go and you are happy, thats all that matters. Some people might just be jealous because they have no ATLAS love in their JK.....so they cut you down. :) Awesome! :driving:

[bofer84]

i think its awesome your doing it that way. I am doing my jeep backwards as well. So far i have lengthened the breathers, and done the locker mod. My next mod is going to be a winch and the AEV winch mount. lift and tires will be the last thing. i want them to get all the kinks worked out before i put one on :)

And you say your not going to lock it, haha, i cant waite till your stuck and need positive traction, and the urge is going to be there....then pop....haha, there goes the axel

[joemauma]

I guess there is more then one way of doing things, as long as you get the end result that you're aiming for is all that matters. Post up once you get the atlas installed, I'm curious how hard it is to drop in. 4.7:1 on my taco was crazy low, can only imagine how low 10:1 is.

[bofer84]

Just curious, why do you need it to be that low, 4 to 1 seems low enough...or no

[mcnaught6]

he doesn't have the horsepower, torque, differentials, gears, driveshafts or lockers to even make the atlas useful. something is going to break if he uses that thing right now.
install that atlas last. just leave it sitting in the garage until everything else is upgraded....that is, if it can even be of much use without upgrading a whole lot of other, more important stuff first.

[ASTAR]

can only imagine how low 10:1 is.

Now here we agree.
My last Jeep had a TH400, 4.3 Atlas, and 6.71 diff gears. Pretty low. It also had 44" tires so that sped it up a little but it was still pretty low. I doubt that I will even use the 10:1 much even when it is built but I will once in a while here and there and for those times, it'll be worth it :)

[ASTAR]

he doesn't have the horsepower, torque, differentials, gears, driveshafts or lockers to even make the atlas useful. something is going to break if he uses that thing right now.
install that atlas last. just leave it sitting in the garage until everything else is upgraded....that is, if it can even be of much use without upgrading a whole lot of other, more important stuff first.

Not sure you know what you're talking about.:rollingeyes:
horsepower? to make an atlas useful? Ummm, its all about gearing.
gears? I have highway gears in my diffs now, STRONGER THAN LOWER GEARS.
driveshafts? I am replacing the shafts.
and lockers have NOTHING to do with the atlas' usefulness!
The only thing weak here will be the axles and LIKE I SAID, they won't be when I really start using that Atlas

[ASTAR]

Just curious, why do you need it to be that low, 4 to 1 seems low enough...or no

There have been plety of times where lower than 4.3:1 would have been nice in my old Jeep and that had LOW diff gears! This one not have LOW diff gears = even more low range needed.

[ASTAR]

i am curious as to what kind of situation you need 10:1 gearing.
i have had my rubi up some crazy steep hills and stuff and the 4.1 seemed fine.
i guess if your going huge tires.....?

Um, PM me your number and I'll invite you along on some trail rides in NV. :D

[Woody99]

Just curious, why do you need it to be that low, 4 to 1 seems low enough...or no

There is a time and place for everything... you may not use the 10:1 often but it can come in handy in challenging situations...

What is the deal with the Atlas.... Are they available for the 4dr JK? If so how much?

[wipeout]

My Brother has the 10:1 atlas in his LJ and there where times on the Rubicon when it was actually very sweet. You don't use that low gear much but on certain spots it made life really nice.....Wipeout

[ZachMan]

Yeah I considered that route but here is my thinking...originally I was going to just do the lift wheels and tires so it would be cooler looking and fun to drive. Then when it came to doing new drivelines and such, it got me thinking...if I do even some mild wheeling like the Rubicon (not the box) with this thing like this, the tranny and eveything else will suffer from the lack of gearing and 37's. If I do axles and run the stock gearing with 37's, yeah the axles won't break but the tranny will likely fail, an expense I don't want to deal with. Sooo, I decided to do the Atlas. Yeah, I know I will have to be VERY gentle on the axles but I am not locking the front (or the rear till I get chromo shafts) and that will help. I don't plan to run the 10:1 without first doing the 44 front, just the 3.8. So basically, this will be for running easy trails or actually using bypasses for once in my life, once in a while, untill I get the axles built. When I do get some built axles in there, it will be done...untill I go extreme with it like my old TJ.
I have seen a lockrite locked dana 30 (Gary Smith from the Pirates) hold up to some 35" boggers, and then some 38's. He just drove with some finess. Not a problem for me.
And yes Doc, I will be building an old style RC 44 for it with CTM, chromo's, warns, arb, and probably cryo'd gears.
Sooooo...to answer your question...yes, he is wrong. He doesn't know me, how I drive, what my plan is or anything else. I have PLENTY of wheeling experience and know what I am doing. Making it cool and fun to drive and preping it to be pretty serious for the future.


:rotflmao1:


First, you need to upgrade axles to even run 37s PERIOD, now you go and add an atlas? LOL, snap crackle pop fist trip out for the d30. Get ready to build that new axle.

Second, why the heck would you send soo much $$ on a t-case and not the axles first? Gears/lockers will get you alot further.

Third, Please explain to me how adding 37s will blow up for tranny? You are suppose to regear, why are you scared to do so? I'd be 10x more scared of that 4-speed Atlas and stock axles and 37s. It makes no sense $500 for new gears or $3,500 for a t-case you don't need, hmmm hard choice.

You are a strange dude, hooked on some 37s, instead of building a better more rounded Jeep on 35s, its crazy.

[ZachMan]

Um, PM me your number and I'll invite you along on some trail rides in NV. :D

Why, so he can tow you out when you break? :embarrased:

[ZachMan]

What is the deal with the Atlas.... Are they available for the 4dr JK? If so how much?

What are you talking about, its been out. They don't make specific applications besides shifters, so you make the JK fit the atlas.

[Audiophiliac]

I dont think he is stupid for doing the Atlas first. If he doesnt use the 10:1 much, its not going to be much different than driving a stock Rubicon other than the D30/D44 difference. And the reality still is as soon as something breaks, he can replace it with something stronger. Will something break sooner with the Atlas? Possibly....no one can say for sure until it happens. But maybe it is a plan for him to break things faster so he can justify to someone (significant other perhaps?) upgrades. ;)

Reading the first post of this thread gives you an idea of what his overall build plan is....which is a good plan no matter what order he does it in. If he is going to rebuild the axles and re-gear anyway, I dont see any reason not to get the Atlas first. It might be the most expensive single piece on there, might as well get it out of the way first. :)

[bofer84]

i think everyone on here is just pissed because their wifes wont let them get one, and they know if they get an atlas, something will break and they can pull the "honey, it broke somehow i guess ill have to get a stronger one to save us money in the long run" :D

[2K1TJ]

You may end up doing driveshafts 2 or 3 times if you do the Atlas, front D44, and lift in different stages. Just something to think about. Shafts for these JK's aren't cheap right now.

[ASTAR]

:rotflmao1:


First, you need to upgrade axles to even run 37s PERIOD, now you go and add an atlas? LOL, snap crackle pop fist trip out for the d30. Get ready to build that new axle.

Second, why the heck would you send soo much $$ on a t-case and not the axles first? Gears/lockers will get you alot further.

Third, Please explain to me how adding 37s will blow up for tranny? You are suppose to regear, why are you scared to do so? I'd be 10x more scared of that 4-speed Atlas and stock axles and 37s. It makes no sense $500 for new gears or $3,500 for a t-case you don't need, hmmm hard choice.

You are a strange dude, hooked on some 37s, instead of building a better more rounded Jeep on 35s, its crazy.

Are you kidding? Yeah, I am gonna throw gears and lockers at axles i am gonna pull out of there soon anyways...brilliant!:rollingeyes: Oh and while I am at it, I'll build it with 35's so I have to lift it a couple different times too! Man, you must be a financial adviser.
As far as killing the tranny with STOCK gears and 37's...do some research about how much more strain it puts on the tranny, I am not here to teach you the basics.
A better more rounded Jeep??? Yeah for small stuff but I will be wheeling stuff that laughs at 35's, hell it will be stuff that giggles at 37's. Oh wait, then I am buying 35's...then springing for some 37's! Buying 2 sets of tires also seems like a fantastic idea to me!:crazyeyes:
Just out of curiosity, you have listed an XJ thats modified...how about a spec sheet or pic so i can see what you see as "modified"
Here is my "modified TJ" in case you hadn't seen the other pics...
I know what I am doing...
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/joaniesbitch27/CIMG0155.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/joaniesbitch27/10-1-2006-19.jpg


Thank you Audiophiliac and bofer84



You may end up doing driveshafts 2 or 3 times if you do the Atlas, front D44, and lift in different stages. Just something to think about. Shafts for these JK's aren't cheap right now.

I have figured out driveshaft issues for the most part and I shouldn't have to replace them at all. Just a different yoke and u-joint for the front axle (when I swap in the 44) but the lengths won't change much and I am only lifting it once. There will only be 1 stage as far as driveshafts and thats when I lift it. Then a slight mod when I go D44.

[Trynity]

I think most of the people on this post are missing the main point...

I believe it's never about how you build your Jeep that really matters (as far as the saying goes: your money, your rig). IMO, the heat you are taking from this point Astar is mainly due to the way you presented your future rig. Apparently, some people have been offensed by the braggy way you presented your future mods. Personally, I have nothing against what you are doing and I am looking forward to seeing your completed Jeep but not everyone has the same kind of money you do to throw on their Jeep.

Anyways, my 2 cents

[miguelylucy]

I think most of the people on this post are missing the main point...

I believe it's never about how you build your Jeep that really matters (as far as the saying goes: your money, your rig). IMO, the heat you are taking from this point Astar is mainly due to the way you presented your future rig. Apparently, some people have been offensed by the braggy way you presented your future mods. Personally, I have nothing against what you are doing and I am looking forward to seeing your completed Jeep but not everyone has the same kind of money you do to throw on their Jeep.

Anyways, my 2 cents

ditto:yup:

[ASTAR]

I think most of the people on this post are missing the main point...

I believe it's never about how you build your Jeep that really matters (as far as the saying goes: your money, your rig). IMO, the heat you are taking from this point Astar is mainly due to the way you presented your future rig. Apparently, some people have been offensed by the braggy way you presented your future mods. Personally, I have nothing against what you are doing and I am looking forward to seeing your completed Jeep but not everyone has the same kind of money you do to throw on their Jeep.

Anyways, my 2 cents

Ok fair enough I suppose but it's not about money. If it was, i woulodn't be waiting to find a deal on a junkyard 60 that I'll have to buff out, and build myself, it would be a bought unit from dynatrac or something. I work my butt of like everyone else and if I had no credit (like I said earlier...a credit card) I couldn't do it either. Simple. If thats the issue someone has then they can say that but trying to challenge what I am doing or the order I am doing it is ignorance. BTW, I built evry bit of the TJ I had myself. I am not some rich ass that can afford to just drop off my rig and have it all dialed in for me. If you guys don't want tech, I'll leave this forum to the "mirror mods" (I did do mine) and stuff like that and take the hardcore somewhere else. Simple
BTW, if I didn't list my other intentions, wouldn't that have made my Atlas seem like idiocy? I was only saying what the other plans were to show WHY I would bother putting the Atlas in! Duh.
Ohhh, and I will also have LESS in this Jeep than a LOT of members here have in their lifted Rubicons so don't talk to me about money.

[ASTAR]

didn't you used to have that TJ on leafs with the rockwells? and it was blue?

Yeah, but it was green.

[AddictedToJeeps]

hey wish i had the money for an atlas. I would buy one too. Heck i honestly think the HP 30 will last just fine. Mines locked and running 37s and 5.13 gears and it has worked fine for me. I just let my gearing do the work for me. Nice and slow and youll be surprised how long stuff will last.

[00pumpkin]

All I know is that you better post up some pics..........the 4 spd Atlas is sick!

[Renegade]

I think most of the people on this post are missing the main point...

...IMO, the heat you are taking from this point Astar is mainly due to the way you presented your future rig. Apparently, some people have been offensed by the braggy way you presented your future mods...
Anyways, my 2 cents

I disagree. His original post was just like a lot of posts here..."Hey, look what I'm going to do..." He loves Jeeps and likes to talk about them, just as many of us here do. For some reason a couple of relatively new forum members decided to give him a bunch of crap about the way he is chosing to do HIS build. Constructive criticism is one thing, but throwing stones is another. ASTAR: welcome to the board.

[Piginajeep]

From his TJ build I'm guessing he knows more about Jeeps than 90% of the people on this board.


I know guys that are running 37's on their stock TJ D35, and have no issues at all. Its all on how and where you wheel and know when to stop hammering down...

Nice choice, i cant wait to see the install pics...

[Trynity]

Hehehe,

I honestly can't believe that Astar's post turned out into a quasi-flaming 4-page mayhem! I mean, shouldn't we just let the guy build his Jeep and wait in anticipation for the results? Again, your money - your rig and this one is prolly going to be one straight out of hell! Maybe he is investing a lot of money into his Jeep, but at least he's doing it in a sensible way (unlike other JKers who'll drop 3-4k for a audio/video system).

Again, only my 2 cents.

[ASTAR]

Ok, thanks for the support to those that show it. I will for sure post pics of every move I make with this thing and when its done, it should be pretty capable. Not quite my TJ for now but it'll still be lots of fun!
The Atlas is gonna take a few weeks to build so when it shows up, I'll start the pic posting!

[rogu3JK]

Dude,
You were rockin a crazy Jeep before, and then a pretty built up H2, and now you're dumping some serious cash into your JK...I gotta ask man. What do you do for work and are you hiring.:eek2:


Wait, I'm thinking single guy. amiright?

[Bagman]

Why, so he can tow you out when you break? :embarrased:

Wow you must be some kind of jeep expert:crazyeyes: Out west its all about finess. Not full on hill billy trottle assaults on obstacles. I ve seen a lockrited, 38 shodd dana 30 survive for years under a friends jeep. It all about how you go about it.

Oh and I ve seen Atar on the trail before that orange jeep gets it! So did the one ton toyota, and the s-10 on toy axles (10 years ago!)...and that 800hp tow rig. I think he kind of has an idea of how to put a rig together, that works right:D So if he says 4spd atlas,44, blah blah blah chances are it will work for what he has planned.

Oh and my trail rig for haters out there.
Bite me its a YJ!
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r305/mikebaggerman/box-1.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r305/mikebaggerman/Picture056.jpg :rotflmao1:

[MossMan]

I definately agree with "Go big the first time." Buying stuff you know is going to be replaced is worthless. If you break a few axles in the meantime, just make sure you have spares and know how to replace them, which judging from the other rigs I think you can probably handle :rotflmao1: