JK with Rancho 3" Drop Down Kit

[ryan2915]

I've been a Jeep owner since I was 15 years old. Started out with a CJ-8 (Scrambler) then a CJ-5, CJ-7, YJ, ZJ, XJ, TJ, and now this JK. Bought the loaded up Rubicon edition so I did not have to mess around with axle swaps, gears, lockers, etc.

My Jeep did not have 85 miles on it before I was looking to rip into the suspension and add a few inches to it to allow 35" tires. I went to SEMA this year, as I have been going for the past 18 years, looking for the best suspension for my new JK.

Took a look at everyones kit and felt that the Rancho Long Arm kit was the best engineered kit out there. The only problem at this time is that it was built around the X series JK not the Rubicon. So while I wait for that kit to be ready, the guys at Rancho told me that they have a great drop down kit that will hold me over in the mean time until the long arm kit is shipping (February).

The Rancho kit allowed me to put on 35" Pro Comp Mud Terrains with one of their new styles of Pro Comp wheels in a 17x8 size. Although I would love to have true bead locks, I still do not trust them on the road due to a past accident that I won't go into.

If anyone out there is looking for a good economical 3" kit for their JK, I can first hand give the nod to the Rancho kit.

[wayoflife]

Hey ryan2915, I'm glad to see you posting on our forum and I honestly love the work you do but... aren't you the one responsible for all of Rancho's graphics? I mean, you make it sound like you just happend to come across the Rancho display at SEMA and just happend to decide that it was the best kit for you. :nono:

Now, I'm not trying to say that you're being put up to say what you've said about the Rancho kit, but I do want to make sure people know who you are and where you're coming from to qualify your statements.

Great pics though :yup:

[German]

That Jeep does look good though.

[2k2wranglerx]

Took a look at everyones kit and felt that the Rancho Long Arm kit was the best engineered kit out there. The only problem at this time is that it was built around the X series JK not the Rubicon. So while I wait for that kit to be ready, the guys at Rancho told me that they have a great drop down kit that will hold me over in the mean time until the long arm kit is shipping (February).
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I'm not saying they lied to you, but how would a rubi kit be different from an X? the front 44 bracketry and suspension is exactly the same. The tcase is the same but the Rubi has different guts . . .

what is different? i don't see how anything would change

[chris269]

Are you a professional photographer. Whats with the professional studio pictures. Are you sure that is really your jeep and not rancho's

[Colonel Angus]

Whose ever it is.........that thing looks good! What's the bs on the wheels?
Fancy photography -- it would look better with mud.

[CLACKEY(_!_)]

Regardless Of Who You Are. Bitchin Bitchin Bitchin Jeep. Love The Pics. Gives Me Good Ideas For My Silver Sahara. Get It Muddy And Post More Pics. And Tell Us More About The Build Up. New Drive Shafts? Gearing? Ride Quality? Waht Are You Experiencing? Why Is The Rancho Lift Better?

[2k2wranglerx]

i still want to know why a rubi is supposed to be different.

[duneslider]

Don't need front discos on a Rubi ;)

Bryan

[2k2wranglerx]

Don't need front discos on a Rubi ;)

Bryan

Ya, but that wouldn't keep someone from putting a kit that fits on an X on a rubi . . .

[dkingjk]

you have admit, that was a good sales pitch.

[Phil Howell]

It's scary to hear that Rancho engineers think a JK suspension that works on an X or Sahara won't work on a Rubicon. Almost as scary as their long arm kit. Look closely at the under vehicle photos in Project JK that Eddie took at SEMA and see for yourself.

They said they can control rear pinion movement by limiting travel. Duh. EVERYONE else's offerings are better than Rancho's. What's even more amazing is that Rancho is usually the company that has suspensions that, while they may not be flashy, work very well. Not this time.

The long arm kit that Rancho had at SEMA isn't the 3" drop bracket kit that started this thread. Is a drop bracket kit needed for 3" on JKs? The stock arms are fairly long and the geometry isn't bad with only 3" of lift.

[dhoffroad]

according to central 4 wheel drive that lift is also NOT for a Rubi....

and yea rancho seems to be the only one that says there lifts are model specific, what the heck is with that ? I'm with 2k2 what do they think is the big diff ? makes me NOT want to buy a kit that they THINK is only good for one model and not the other.....

[dhoffroad]

If anyone out there is looking for a good economical 3" kit for their JK, I can first hand give the nod to the Rancho kit.

the rancho 3" kit seems to be the most expensive 3" kit out on the market...

since it is your jeep can you go out and snap some pics of the brackets I'd like to see how they mount up ?? oh yea the pics don't have to be all that prety like your first pics.

[ryan2915]

I don't work for Rancho, although I do work with them, as I also work for several others out there in the automotive industry as a photographer and graphic designer. If that makes me bias on my selections in your mind, then so be it.

No that is not Rancho's company vehicle (silver one), they have a black one that you have all seen in the SEMA images. So with that being said, I do have opportunities to use any lift that I choose for my personal Jeep, and did go to SEMA looking for the best kit, and truly think that their long arm kit is just that.

Everyone has their own opinion on what kit, accessory, or product is the best for them. Just because I work in the industry and might work with some of these companies does not mean that I (like you all) can not have my own opinion. If you don't like my picks, then post your own thread/blog and tell others what you like. After working with Rancho on several different projects, I truly feel that they have the best engineered kit for the JK. MY OPINION...

[ryan2915]

Sorry DHOFFROAD, forgot to attach images. And yes, they are all pretty because that is what I do.

[ryan2915]

Oh yea, for those of you that have not installed a kit on a JK before, there are slight differences in the non Rubicon JK's compared to the Rubicon edition. I did a step by step install photo shoot on my JK at Rancho where they showed me the difference from their JK (non rubicon) to mine. For those companies out there telling you that their kits work on all JK models, I would be very hesitant. Do your home work before just slapping on any kit available on the market today.

[Brettzky-JK757]

As awesome as it would look on mine, I don't see the point of doing it to a 4x2.

It IS fun to think about...

[wayoflife]

I don't work for Rancho, although I do work with them, as I also work for several others out there in the automotive industry as a photographer and graphic designer. If that makes me bias on my selections in your mind, then so be it.

As I said before, I just wanted people to know that you do in fact have an affilation with Rancho so that they can qualify your statements. :)

Everyone has their own opinion on what kit, accessory, or product is the best for them. Just because I work in the industry and might work with some of these companies does not mean that I (like you all) can not have my own opinion. If you don't like my picks, then post your own thread/blog and tell others what you like. After working with Rancho on several different projects, I truly feel that they have the best engineered kit for the JK. MY OPINION...

Fair enough - please tell us why. I am sincerely interested to here your opinion as to what makes their kit the best. I would be grateful if you could please be specific.

[wayoflife]

Oh yea, for those of you that have not installed a kit on a JK before, there are slight differences in the non Rubicon JK's compared to the Rubicon edition. I did a step by step install photo shoot on my JK at Rancho where they showed me the difference from their JK (non rubicon) to mine. For those companies out there telling you that their kits work on all JK models, I would be very hesitant. Do your home work before just slapping on any kit available on the market today.

Other than the e-disco on the Rubicon, could you please be more specific as to what these slight differences are and why we should be hesitant to slap on any kit available on the market today?

[2k2wranglerx]

I'm not trying to sell anyone on this kit. I thought the idea of a forum was to inform members of what is out there and what my thoughts are on certain items. If I'm wrong, then this will be my last post/thread. :naw:
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dude, dont get your underwear in a bunch. I was just bringing up why they'd be different.

[wayoflife]

Again, I don't work for Rancho so I'm not going to try to explain all the differences. I suggest you call their tech line. From what I saw doing the photo step by step on it, The electronic disconnect was a big part of the difference. Can't just put a spacer block on e-disco assembly, steering and frame components get in the way.
Ummm, spacer block on the e-disco assembly? What in the world are you talking about?

Like one of your other members posted in a different section, Rubicon's are very hard to come by in California. If you did not know most of the manufacturers are located in CA that are making these kits. A few were lucky enough to get Jeep from Chrysler to build for SEMA, even then, most were not Rubicons. So, testing on these kits have been limited. Most were built weeks before SEMA and are still in testing, testing not done on all models. Long story short, if you own a Rubicon, make sure you call the tech line of the manufacturer of the kit you are interested in to see if they actually tested their kit on the Rubicon model specifically. If not, your install shop (or you) might run into problems when putting the kits on.
Sorry, but I have personally installed a 3" lift kit on a Rubicon in Southern California (see write-up here: Full Traction 3" JK Lift Installation Write-Up (http://project-jk.com/index.php/?p=81)) and quite frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing I've been seeing you do here is pimp Rancho's lift kit on the backs of other manufacturers. And, for the record, Full Traction did test their lift on a Rubicon prior to selling it. In fact, you can see it in the current issue of 4Wheel Drive and Sport Utility Mag on page 56 and it was on display at the Off Road Expo back in October. :naw:

When Rancho installed mine, we were lucky enough that they have a full fab shop there that was able to adapt to the differences, bang out an extended sway bar link in minutes that looked and functioned like it came off the assembly line, yet workes with this new 3" kit.
In other words, they gave you the kit? And, are we still supposed to somehow believe your opinion on this lift kit is unbiased? :rollingeyes:

I'm not trying to sell anyone on this kit.
Really? You could have fooled me and that's the truth.

I thought the idea of a forum was to inform members of what is out there and what my thoughts are on certain items.
"Inform members"? Please refresh my memory... when have you informed us about anything other than the Rancho lift being the best kit out there and that we should all be hesitant about the competition without giving any, and I mean ANY specifics? And, if you really did come here to "inform" us, why would we need to call a tech line? :naw:

If I'm wrong, then this will be my last post/thread. :naw:
I don't know if I'd say you were exactly wrong, but I would say you didn't do what you said you were doing here. But, it's your choice as to whether or not you post here again. Certainly, no one I know has asked you to leave.

Good luck to all of you. Hope to see you out on the trail some time.
Well, if this really is good bye, good luck to you too.

[Phil Howell]

The ONLY suspension-related difference on a Rubicon is the swaybar disconnect. Extended links will work here, just like they do for all the other JKs. You could argue that spring rates are different, but Jeep has many spring rates for the JK and JK Unlimited running through the whole range, and every manufacturer is dealing with that.

Opinions are fine and welcome. Taking shots at other manufacturers is BS. :mad:

[JKwannabe]

:jawdrop:
The gloves come off!

[low4life]

Gosh you just have to love the way this whole thing played out. Thats one thing about a vehicle spacific web forum, you have to do your home work before you want to get technical. If I were the Rancho people I'd take there kit back and force you to sell the jeep then move out of the country after you changed your name. Seeing as how you failed at trying to promote there vehicle spacific kits and then didnt know anything about what you were talking about except to refer all questions to the tech line at rancho. Do you even know the #? But gotta give it to you nice pics do you do family portraits too?:rotflmao1:

[2k2wranglerx]

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4382/dscn3903gk0.jpg

on a rubicon . .. . i see no problem with the extended links.

[CLACKEY(_!_)]

So..........Do we get to see some pics of it muddy? Still looks bitchin. Muddy?

[GoAnyWhere]

My neighbor works at Rancho and I spoke with him regarding this. I asked him to post, but said a employee from Rancho is not allowed to post. I would not say that I am for Rancho since I worked for one of the others and think they have great stuff as well.
For the "sport kit" (don't ask me why they call it that), they have a kit that will work on X and Sahara. They drop the front sway bar down and retain the factory endlinks. They know that they get better articulation and will not wear out w/o the disconnect(rubi model) like a polyurathane will. For the Rubi, just extended endlinks work perfect since you can disconnect it. According to him with swaybar connected, they got better RTI with the factory links. I understand this is irrelevant since most will disconnect it. To accomidate the Rubi's, they are offereing a endlink kit you need to purchase with the base kit, I can't remeber when he said it would be out.
I have been trail riding with him and it drove and rode well but I have nothing to compare it to. Next weekend I am going out with some guys that have FullTraction kits so I should be able to report back.
-J

[Jake_Blues]

The ONLY suspension-related difference on a Rubicon is the swaybar disconnect. Extended links will work here, just like they do for all the other JKs. You could argue that spring rates are different, but Jeep has many spring rates for the JK and JK Unlimited running through the whole range, and every manufacturer is dealing with that.

Opinions are fine and welcome. Taking shots at other manufacturers is BS. :mad:

Not to be pedantic, but the Rubi/Sahara have different shocks than the X does, from the factory. This would be another suspension related difference. You're going to end up swapping them out regardless, for a 3" lift, but it is a difference.

-E

[wayoflife]

My neighbor works at Rancho and I spoke with him regarding this. I asked him to post, but said a employee from Rancho is not allowed to post.

They would be allowed to if they just signed up and became a sponsor.

For the "sport kit" (don't ask me why they call it that), they have a kit that will work on X and Sahara. They drop the front sway bar down and retain the factory endlinks. They know that they get better articulation and will not wear out w/o the disconnect(rubi model) like a polyurathane will.

Maybe I'm stupid but could you explain this in greater detail? How can dropping the front sway bar down and retaining the factory endlinks give you any "better" articulation? :thinking:

For the Rubi, just extended endlinks work perfect since you can disconnect it. According to him with swaybar connected, they got better RTI with the factory links.

Let me get this straight, you're saying they got a "better" RTI score with the factory links still connected? In all honesty, I would love to know how this is possible.

I understand this is irrelevant since most will disconnect it. To accomidate the Rubi's, they are offereing a endlink kit you need to purchase with the base kit

Why bother buying anything extra when you can just install the factory rear links up front?

I have been trail riding with him and it drove and rode well but I have nothing to compare it to. Next weekend I am going out with some guys that have FullTraction kits so I should be able to report back.
-J

Although I would be interested in hearing your opinions after comparing the two lifts, isn't there anything you can tell us specifically about the Rancho lifts that you really like a lot? Please don't misunderstand me, I have really been trying hard to give Rancho every opportunity in the world to help them sell their products in spite of the fact they will not come on here themselves and have resorted to having others pimp for them but I have yet to hear any, and I mean ANY specific reasons or even opinions as to why their stuff IS so "great" or why it's the "best" out there? Hell, after seeing their long arm kit at SEMA and talking to their engineers, I could even tell you what I thought was at least innovative, unique or maybe even better than the competition.

With that said, I think we would all be interested in hearing what you think, but please be specific. Otherwise, you'll just sound like an undercover saleman. Please believe me when I say that I am sincerely trying to help you, ryan and Rancho here and that's the truth.

[HappyCurmudgeon]

This is captivating.

:popcorn:



Interesting how vague someone can be when they say their "whatever" is better than the next, without any semblance of proof. Hell, there isn't even a good visible lie to go on. If it wasn’t for the non blatant lie thing, I would swear this was a discussion on politics.

[GoAnyWhere]

They would be allowed to if they just signed up and became a sponsor.



Maybe I'm stupid but could you explain this in greater detail? How can dropping the front sway bar down and retaining the factory endlinks give you any "better" articulation? :thinking: .

A ball and socket swivel will articulate more than a polyurathane with a sleeve.

Let me get this straight, you're saying they got a "better" RTI score with the factory links still connected? In all honesty, I would love to know how this is possible..


Once again, comparing polyurathane endlinks to factory with the swaybar still connected.

Why bother buying anything extra when you can just install the factory rear links up front?.


Do whatever you want. I don't care.

Although I would be interested in hearing your opinions after comparing the two lifts, isn't there anything you can tell us specifically about the Rancho lifts that you really like a lot? Please don't misunderstand me, I have really been trying hard to give Rancho every opportunity in the world to help them sell their products in spite of the fact they will not come on here themselves and have resorted to having others pimp for them but I have yet to hear any, and I mean ANY specific reasons or even opinions as to why their stuff IS so "great" or why it's the "best" out there? Hell, after seeing their long arm kit at SEMA and talking to their engineers, I could even tell you what I thought was at least innovative, unique or maybe even better than the competition.

With that said, I think we would all be interested in hearing what you think, but please be specific. Otherwise, you'll just sound like an undercover saleman. Please believe me when I say that I am sincerely trying to help you, ryan and Rancho here and that's the truth.

You seem bitter and not sure if you had a bad expereince with the guys there. I am not trying to pimp their kits. I do not need help or do I know ryan. I was just trying to make a simple post.
My thoughts on the kit are that its a good cheap kit if you want bigger tires. It drive well, no bumpsteer, and the springs felt like the right combination. Sorry if I offended you.

[nickc]

he was just asking honest questions, the same questions that everyone was thinking. Your post was kind of vauge and he just wanted to know more detail about what and why this kit was "superior"

[GoAnyWhere]

he was just asking honest questions, the same questions that everyone was thinking. Your post was kind of vauge and he just wanted to know more detail about what and why this kit was "superior"

I never indicated the kit was superior since I have nothing to judge it against. Anyways, until you get to long arm kits, these are all just about the same. There is not much difference between the kits for under $1000. One kit has this and the other has that.

[wayoflife]

A ball and socket swivel will articulate more than a polyurathane with a sleeve.

I understand now, I must have skipped over the part where you were comparing them to typical aftermarket links. Thank you for the clarification, that makes a lot of sense now. But, I'm still having a hard time understanding how, if you're still running the short factory links and sway bar, how you can get more articulation vs. being disconnected?

Do whatever you want. I don't care.

I'm sorry but did I ask if you cared what I did or not? In all honesty, I was kind of hoping you could explain why getting new links was better than reusing the rear factory links just as you did with the front links being better than aftermarket poly ones. :rollingeyes:

You seem bitter and not sure if you had a bad expereince with the guys there.

If it makes you feel better to think of me as being bitter, that's your prerogative. But, I actually had a great experience with Rancho and really enjoyed talking to one of their top engineers William Johnson.

I am not trying to pimp their kits. I do not need help or do I know ryan. I was just trying to make a simple post.

Fair enough. It's just that you do have a lot of posts on Rancho specific threads and in a positive light. And, although you have admitted to being a good friend with someone who works at Rancho, it was only after I had inquired about your affiliation with them. Of course, this is to say nothing about the fact that you've admitted to having been in or are maybe still involved in the industry and have been unwilling to state with what company that might be. Need I say, based on these facts, I had assumed you were in league with Ryan who I thought was clearly pimping Rancho for his own reasons. If I was mistaken, I apologize.

My thoughts on the kit are that its a good cheap kit if you want bigger tires. It drive well, no bumpsteer, and the springs felt like the right combination.

Again, that's a fair enough statement.

Sorry if I offended you

You offended me?? That's a good one :rotflmao1:

[low4life]

Well I will say I just left rancho's website and they are promoting two kits a long arm kit and a sport system. Of course there sema desplay vehicle is a rubicon and they do note one thing about there kit on there ipod video promoting the kit "that the exhaust has to be refabb'd as in all lift kits" I didnt know that all lift kits require you to re fabricate the exhaust?:thinking:
But I must say there sema vehicle is sweet looking but I'd hate to get something that pretty dirty.:rotflmao1:

[Phil Howell]

Not to be pedantic, but the Rubi/Sahara have different shocks than the X does, from the factory. This would be another suspension related difference. You're going to end up swapping them out regardless, for a 3" lift, but it is a difference.

-E

Yes, the shocks are different, but I was referring to parts that would impact an aftermarket suspension system. As you said, the stock shocks are going away. The idea was put forth that the Rubicon was soooo different that exisiting suspension systems wouldn't work on it.

[jeepfreek13]

I am just curious on one thing I saw on there website....is it better to use a relocation bracket or adjustable track bars?

[ericdewayne]

I read on here that a lot of people were having problems with their jks wondering all over the road with the relocation brackets on, but once they took them off they drove just fine. From what ive read on here the relocation brackets are unnessecary and more of a pain in the rear. I dont have first hand experience though, just relaying some first hand experience...

[wayoflife]

I am just curious on one thing I saw on there website....is it better to use a relocation bracket or adjustable track bars?

A relocation bracket is just a budget solution. If you can afford it, getting a new adjustable track bar is always the better option assuming that it's a good one.

[jeepfreek13]

thanks WOL, that was why I leaned to the lift I did. I hope to get my tires this week so I can put it on.

[jeepingib]

Now that's entertainment!!

[CLACKEY(_!_)]

YOU GUYS AREN'T DONE ARE YOU?:confused:

[wayoflife]

YOU GUYS AREN'T DONE ARE YOU?:confused:

Silence does have a way of speaking volumes doesn't it :rollingeyes:

[HappyCurmudgeon]

well dammit Janet. Now what am i gonna read at work... errrr...

on break time?


I was enjoying the banter. (and learning a little bit at the same time) now i am going to have to actually work.. err... uhm... :thinking:

i mean i am going to have to find another way to kill my break time.

[jeepfreek13]

I was learning as well. it was also fun how they would not elaborate on WOL's questions.

[MJS_Jeep_888]

[BUMP]

This was funny, plain and simple. :popcorn:

Here's our in-game recap for those of you just tuning in...

Rancho Pimp: "Rancho kits are superior to every other lift available - you should be afraid to buy any other manufacturer's lift."

WayOfLife: "Why?"

Rancho Pimp: [Unintelligible - mumbles, grunts, and shrugs; clears throat - voice cracks] "Um, I'm just trying to educate everyone."

WOL: "You're short on credibility - Remove thyself from my forum, vile pimp!"

Rancho Pimp exits.

Enter Rancho Pimp #2: "Rancho kits are superior..." (see above)

WOL: "Why?"

Rancho Pimp #2: "Here's some actual information..."

WOL: "OK - I'll allow you to live for now, but watch yourself, you mere mortal!"

End of Act I

[eejk]

[BUMP]

This was funny, plain and simple. :popcorn:

Here's our in-game recap for those of you just tuning in...

Rancho Pimp: "Rancho kits are superior to every other lift available - you should be afraid to buy any other manufacturer's lift."

WayOfLife: "Why?"

Rancho Pimp: [Unintelligible - mumbles, grunts, and shrugs; clears throat - voice cracks] "Um, I'm just trying to educate everyone."

WOL: "You're short on credibility - Remove thyself from my forum, vile pimp!"

Rancho Pimp exits.

Enter Rancho Pimp #2: "Rancho kits are superior..." (see above)

WOL: "Why?"

Rancho Pimp #2: "Here's some actual information..."

WOL: "OK - I'll allow you to live for now, but watch yourself, you mere mortal!"

End of Act I

dude thanks for the re-cap hahaha that was great!!! :rotflmao1:

[CLACKEY(_!_)]

[BUMP]

This was funny, plain and simple. :popcorn:

Here's our in-game recap for those of you just tuning in...

Rancho Pimp: "Rancho kits are superior to every other lift available - you should be afraid to buy any other manufacturer's lift."

WayOfLife: "Why?"

Rancho Pimp: [Unintelligible - mumbles, grunts, and shrugs; clears throat - voice cracks] "Um, I'm just trying to educate everyone."

WOL: "You're short on credibility - Remove thyself from my forum, vile pimp!"

Rancho Pimp exits.

Enter Rancho Pimp #2: "Rancho kits are superior..." (see above)

WOL: "Why?"

Rancho Pimp #2: "Here's some actual information..."

WOL: "OK - I'll allow you to live for now, but watch yourself, you mere mortal!"

End of Act I


Oh come back Ryan. We miss you. It was sort of like the Truman show.:rotflmao1:

[TEV]

lol this thread was a funny read.... :rotflmao1:

[bofer84]

Just read this entire post....wow, i think we are all dumber now. This is seriously a wast of my time, but seing as how im in college and cant sleep, and dont have to go to work like most of yall do, ill chime in.

First off, to the admin, and all other users. He is not directly related to Rancho at all, he doesnt work for them, they just contract him out, so he isnt an employee. He is a regular member just like the rest of us and is entitled to post, i dont see one post where he has any negative influence on anybody, he clearly states an opinion, but you dont need a lil old college boy telling you that right...?

As far as him being biased toward rancho....it can go the other way as well my friend....how many people on this forum hate their jobs and dont trust the product they build or would buy from another company before the one they work for......

Second, he is completely entitled to his opinion, as he stated clearly in his posts. Just like i can say....yall are jumpin this guys bones for no reason, or it sound like some people are bitter that Rancho isnt a vendor on here.....see completely an opinion on my part.


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Please let me know if you have any questions.

im pretty dang sure he never violated any of these rules.

[wayoflife]

*sigh*

First off, to the admin, and all other users. He is not directly related to Rancho at all, he doesnt work for them, they just contract him out, so he isnt an employee.

No, he is not an "employee" of Rancho but his services are EMPLOYED by them on a regular basis. If you want to split hairs about what it means to work for someone, well, I would challenge you to ask him where his allegiances lie. And, for whatever it's worth, he did in fact have a very specific angle as to why he created this post as well as several others that were subsequently deleted. How do I know? Because he contacted me directly, told me that I should screw my sponsors and join up with him in a lucrative opportunity that would be worth more money than all the companies here are paying to help make this forum possible. Granted, his money making scheme may or may not have been backed by Rancho but these posts were specifically intended to solicit business and weren't as benign as you seem to think.

He is a regular member just like the rest of us and is entitled to post, i dont see one post where he has any negative influence on anybody, he clearly states an opinion, but you dont need a lil old college boy telling you that right...?

Sorry, but ryan is no "regular member" and entitled to nothing just like you aren't. Contrary to what you might think, this forum didn't just magically appear on the internet and your ability to post here is a privilege, not a right. And, to ryans credit, he understands that enough to not pursue the agenda he had here anymore.

Second, he is completely entitled to his opinion, as he stated clearly in his posts.

Again, contrary to what you might think, he is entitled to nothing. But having said that, yes, he did state his opinion - are you suggesting that we/I shouldn't be allowed to question it? Because, that is all that I did - question his opinions. Just because he couldn't/wouldn't back them up doesn't mean that we didn't allow him to state them. :naw:

Just like i can say....yall are jumpin this guys bones for no reason, or it sound like some people are bitter that Rancho isnt a vendor on here.....see completely an opinion on my part.

LOL!! Well, you can believe whatever you want to believe. When I was in college, I'm pretty sure I knew everything too. :D

lastly...direcetly from the book:

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If you would like to become a sponsoring advertiser, please contact me at: eddie@project-jk.com and I would be more than happy to discuss the options that are available to you.

If you are a manufacturer, vendor, dealer, magazine or ezine publisher and would like to post messages on Project-JK.com and/or JK-Forum.com without becoming a sponsor, you may do so on the condition that your username is not that of your business and that your user profile and/or signature is completely devoid of any reference to your occupation. Also, all posts and reponses must remain on topic and may not contain any reference to your business or hints to your occupation and you may not solicit our members through private messages.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

im pretty dang sure he never violated any of these rules.

Likewise, I'm pretty dang sure he hasn't been banned from this board. In fact, I'm quite sure he still posts on this board and on a regular basis. Granted, it's always in the for sale section and most recently to sell freebie parts off of his Jeep that he got from the companies that employs his services. :rollingeyes:

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As usual, you're on-point WOL. Good job! :popcorn:

My question to bofer84: Don't they teach "English Composition" or "Writing" in college anymore? I mean, there's a spell-check button right up above the posting window, and a little proof-reading never hurt anyone, either!

I'm giving you a hard time, but seriously, your argument would seem a lot more intelligent if I didn't have to re-read each line, trying to figure out what you were TRYING to say... and when you quote something, you need to enclose it within quotation marks. :naw:

Go back and look at WOL's response for an example on clarity and succinct argument techniques, and then go write a 1000 word essay on it for class. Class dismissed. :toung: :D

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Sorry, but ryan is no "regular member" and entitled to nothing just like you aren't. Contrary to what you might think, this forum didn't just magically appear on the internet and your ability to post here is a privilege, not a right.

This point is something I think some forum members don't get. Not just on this forum, but others as well....regardless of topic. The owner of the forum makes the rules, deletes posts, bans members who don't follow the rules, etc. Everyone is a guest.

It's like going into someone's house, stirring stuff up, and getting upset when the owner of the house reprimands you or throws you out. If you don't like the rules, build your own house (or forum, in this case).

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Man I love this thread:rotflmao1:

Sorry Way. I refered to this thread in another thread and it appears to have brought it back to life..

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Well, since the Rubicon is different (and i own one, a TJ, but still)

I would just say the main difference is its 'awsomer'

its just more awsome than the regular one.

that is all.