Cibie Euro-code headlamp install

[jpaddict]

I finished this project today:yup: The lights are dramatically brighter, and with better beam pattern than the stock lamps. In fact, they are better than the HID lights on my E55.

I ordered the Cibie lights from Daniel Stern, as well as all of the relays, bulbs, and connectors.

The lights also have the "city light", which make the lamp glow without providing illumination projected to the road. The most difficult part (for me) was building the wiring harness. The harness with relays enables the power to flow directly from the battery to the lights thru 12ga wire.

1. After you receive the lights and relays from Daniel, you will need 12 ga stranded wire, a wire cutter/crimper tool, a #15 torx bit, 4 female connectors, electrical tape, and split loom for the harness.

2. Removing the grill is easy. Unscrew the push in connectors from the top of the grill, ease it slightly forward and tap lightly until the grill pops out. Pull outward on the red tab connectors for the turn signals, and remove the grill completely.

3. Use the #15 torx to undo the four (per lamp) screws on the light retainer ring. You DO NOT need new retainer rings. I bought some for an '06 TJ and the screw pattern is different, and will not work on the JK. Disconnect the lamp, and remove.

4. Build and install the harness as per the instructions on Daniel Stern's website. If you wish to hook up the "city lights", tap the power from the turn signal/parking lamp wire in the middle. They are marked: Major, Minor, Ground. Major is the turn signal, minor the parking lamp, and you know what the ground is for.

5. If you wish to make your side marker lamps flash with the turn signals, now would be a good time to wire them. Again use the instructions on Daniel's website.

6. After all wires are connected, install the new lamps using the original retaining rings. Connect the ground from the relay harness to the battery neg terminal, and the fused power cables to the battery positive.

7. Align the lights as per Daniel's instructions. I found the Cibie lamps aimed much higher using the original factory settings, and had to be lowered.

I used the 70/65 watt bulbs Dan recommended. At first I thought I should have 100 watt bulbs, but found Dan was absolutely correct in his selection. These things are retina roasters!:D

I have photos of the project, but need someone to post them for me. PM me with your email, and they are ready to be sent.

[Jake_Blues]

you know what the ground is for.


The ground is there to catch me when I'm too drunk to stand.

Thanks for the write-up, I really need to do this. The stock lights just aren't cutting it. Sometimes I find myself reaching down to check the knob to see if they are even on!

-E

[mtnmedic]

i need to do this too. too bad i just dont get electrical. when i have time, maybe...

[duneslider]

If you don't mind me asking, but what did this whole setup cost? If I didn't have the fog lights I don't know what I would do, the headlights are terrible.

Thanks,
Bryan

[jpaddict]

The lights are $62 each, and the relay kit was $42 (I think).

It is hard to explain how superior these lights are compared to the stock ones.

[HUMONGO]

Awesome pics, do you have better pics of the wiring harness?

[jpaddict]

Sorry, no additional pictures of the harness. The harness was not complete in the photo. I will try to take some of the beam pattern on a wall.

The unique thing about the beam pattern is you can stare directly at the light as long as you are above the cutoff. Move two inches lower and your retinas are toast.:yup:

[duneslider]

How long do you figure it took you to do the install? And how difficult would you consider this mod?

Just curious if this would be a couple hour job or an all weekend job.

Bryan

[HUMONGO]

The install looks pretty simple, all in all, save the harness. I tend to think that I'm proficient with wiring, etc, but the diagram on DS website is moderately confusing and the one pic we have scares the crap out of me.

I most certainly will be doing the install, so I think I'll start the harness now so I can take my time and get it right. I'm the kinda guy that gets excited and has no patience.:rollingeyes:

[jpaddict]

Well, I am electrically challenged, so it took me awhile to build the harness. If I was to do this job all over again, I think it could be done in about 3 hours.

The main thing is to follow the intructions exactly from Daniel's website. Also have all of the wire, connectors, and tools ready to go.

This mod is worth it.

[Cruiser]

Did the lights fit with the stock trim ring or did you need one from an 06? And if you could post the beam pattern.
I'm putting off bigger tires so I have the cash for better lights.
SC

[jpaddict]

Cruiser, the stock ring fits. The '06 ring DOES NOT.

The beam pattern is exactly like the above link, if you scroll down.

[jkmon]

So is this the choice for headlamp upgrade for our JK's? So if were using a relay in this setup, I'm assuming you guys spliced into the factory wire, (turn-on) So what happens to the factory headlamp harness? There should be voltage in that wire correct? Is there a fuse to remove.

[HUMONGO]

If anyone is planning on doing this, could you do a write-up specifically on the harness. DS' site is great, but again, quite confusing. I either need detailed pics and directions or somebody to hold my hand while I grudge my way through it.:yup:

[Rubimon]

jpaddict, Have the dealer get you an under hood light. The harness is there, just no light. Be pushy, I have the same situation and they are getting me one. A drivers side footwell light too!

They are telling some people they don't come with it anymore. I think most of theose people don't have the harness either.

Great light mod! I may have to do that.

Rubimon

[jpaddict]

I have additional photos of the lights turned on, with the "city light"feature, and then two photos demonstrating the sharp optical cutoff of the Cibie light.

PM me if you can post them for me (small file size).

[Military Jeeper]

Sent PM.........let me know.

[jkmon]

Did you cut the old headlamp harness? or is there some sort of pig tail harness with the new lights?

[HUMONGO]

Did you cut the old headlamp harness? or is there some sort of pig tail harness with the new lights?

I think there's a whole new harness, no involvement of the old one.

[jpaddict]

The old harness remains in place. Since you are building two relay circuits, you take the low beam feed off one side, and the high beam feed off of the other. There are three wires at each respective plug--High, how, and ground. I cut the low wire, and connected it to #86 on the relay circuit (low beam) feed, and the high from the other side, connected to #86 of your high beam circuit.

The stock wiring is only 20 gauge, and useless for anything other than tripping the relay.

Your light controls will function exactly as they do now, and the fogs will cut off on high beam circuit.

[Phishjeep]

Pictures from JP Addict
City Lights
http://my.project-jk.com/data/500/Light1.JPG
http://my.project-jk.com/data/500/Light2.JPG
Above cutoff
http://my.project-jk.com/data/500/Light3.JPG
Below cutoff
http://my.project-jk.com/data/500/Light4.JPG

[Hooked]

I have been discusted with my headlights, and talked to Daniel Stern. He suggested Cibie or Marchal. The Marchal's are twice the price. Is it worth it, or stick with Cibie?

[Military Jeeper]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/jwohlfehrt/Light4.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/jwohlfehrt/Light3.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/jwohlfehrt/Light2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/jwohlfehrt/Light1.jpg

Sorry so late............they went to my junkmail folder.

[jkmon]

I like it. So you have to cut, I guess there is no way around that. So how did you wire your city lights? Is that from the DRL? Its not powered by the low beam wire is it?

[jpaddict]

City lights are tapped into the parking lamp circuit. The three wires into the parking lamp are listed: Major, Minor, Ground. Tap into the Minor and you will have your power source.

[shrockworks]

The stock wiring is only 20 gauge, and useless for anything other than tripping the relay.



Did you measure the voltage drop using the existing wiring b4 doing the relays? 20 gauge wire is good to 11 Amps. That is 149 watts @ 13.5 Volts. A 70W light should draw 5-6 Amps which is well within what 20 gauge wire can handle.

The factory bulbs are probably 55 Watts and it's a safe bet that the wiring was designed with a considerable safety margin.

I think it is reasonably likely the factory wiring will be just fine. Need to take some measurements and see though...

[jeepik]

daniel thanks for your post

can you give us a breakdown of what a kit consists of and how much

it looks like there should be 2 "kits" one the cibie and one the more expensive ones for those of us who want the better ones

thanks

[wayoflife]

daniel thanks for your post

can you give us a breakdown of what a kit consists of and how much

it looks like there should be 2 "kits" one the cibie and one the more expensive ones for those of us who want the better ones

thanks

Sorry jeepik, the post you are refering to has been deleted because the author is not a current sponsor of Project-JK.com.

[dsy]

can you give us a breakdown of what a kit consists of and how much

it looks like there should be 2 "kits" one the cibie and one the more expensive ones for those of us who want the better ones

thanks

Cibie-E code lamps, $62. each
Relay kit with bulb connectors, $45. takes care of both sides
Osram 85/80w bulbs, $20. each
Wire, split loom, tie wraps, $40-45.
Time, 3-5 hrs for a 1st time doing something like this.
Having the light to see good, Priceless :D


Dont know about the more expensive ones but I think you would be more than happy with the results from this set up.

[Woods]

Writing this to add some detail to the thread. I did my E-code upgrade. I used H4 Bulbs that are the same wattage as the stock bulbs. So no harnesses. The noticeable differences are a more even light pattern, with much more light down low. The middle band of light from the stock lights seems to be brighter. I did not take pics of the high-beams. The high-beams on the E-codes are much more of a focused brighter spot. Will be much better for light from a distance.

Complaints about the JK's headlamps being too dim, makes me curious. I wonder if older versions of the JK had a different headlamp. My JK's stock lights are bright.


Pics (exact same exposure)

Stock
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4440/minidsc3230qf7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cibie E-Codes
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4498/minidsc3231bq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[JackMac4]

The light seems to be much more focused. Are your lights tilted or something?

[duneslider]

Woods,

Are you saying that all you did is replace the lenses or lamps with the cibie's and then just used h4 bulbs in them? Sounds like that would cost a lot less and the pic seems to show a better light quality than stock, not to mention that install was probably really easy.

Bryan

[Woods]

The light seems to be much more focused. Are your lights tilted or something?


E-Codes have a hard cut off on the top of the beam pattern, that tilts up, to the right of the center of the beam.

Woods,

Are you saying that all you did is replace the lenses or lamps with the cibie's and then just used h4 bulbs in them? Sounds like that would cost a lot less and the pic seems to show a better light quality than stock, not to mention that install was probably really easy.


Bryan

Yup. Just wanted to try it without all the harness hassel. Not really much less expensive. Bulbs are about the same price, and the harness cost is about $45 give or take. Better light quality and the glass lenses won't start to blur/fog in 5 years (stock are plastic lenses).

[jpaddict]

The beam pattern of the E-code is supposed to have light angle upward to the right for sign illumination. Additionally, the optics are far superior to put light where it is needed, not a big blob with hotspots.

[nickc]

Alright this is pi$$ing me off!!! i shoulndt have to spend more money on headlights after i buy a brand new vehicle!! but arn't low beams supposed to stay in "your" lane so that they dont interfere with other drivers, and high beams light up everything??? i cant see $h!t on the sides of the road with my highbeams!!!!( WHERE THE ANIMALS AND OTHER THINGS I NEED TO SEE THAT ARE ABOUT TO COME IN FRONT OF ME WOULD BE ):mad: with my dads avalanche high beams are more like making it daytime!!

[SpudRacer]

Alright this is pi$$ing me off!!! i shoulndt have to spend more money on headlights after i buy a brand new vehicle!! but arn't low beams supposed to stay in "your" lane so that they dont interfere with other drivers, and high beams light up everything??? i cant see $h!t on the sides of the road with my highbeams!!!!( WHERE THE ANIMALS AND OTHER THINGS I NEED TO SEE THAT ARE ABOUT TO COME IN FRONT OF ME WOULD BE ) with my dads avalanche high beams are more like making it daytime!!

For starters.... RELAX!!! Life is way too short to be so strung out. You do not "have to spend more money" on headlights. You can stick with the stock headlights and be content with them. If you WANT brighter headlights, THEN you have to "spend more money".

Enjoy life, it goes too fast,

Tom
Bryson City, NC

[nickc]

the lights should already be bright enough!

[MJS_Jeep_888]

For the record, I think the stock low beams are plenty adequate... but I agree with many of you that the high beams could be better. In mine, they'll show me a UFO hovering above the road 700 feet in front of me, but not much more... they're high, in other words.

I was wondering: For similar money (because these Cibies are not cheap), could I just buy a windshield spotlight bracket, and corresponding Hella-type offroad spotlight, and tie that in with my high beams? Seems like that would give me good long-range visibility (which the stock high beams already have), and the spotlight could be angled to fill in the "near" gaps of the stock high beams...

Has anyone considered this or gone this route?

[Berra]

I got my Unlimited delivered yesterday, and it has Hella H4 headlamps. Not surprising as I live in Northern Europe, Sweden to be exact. But a surprise was that there is an electric height adjuster for the headlamps:)
But I have to live with the extremely ugly "Eurobumpers" in the front:mad:

[foofighter]

I got my Unlimited delivered yesterday, and it has Hella H4 headlamps. Not surprising as I live in Northern Europe, Sweden to be exact. But a surprise was that there is an electric height adjuster for the headlamps:)
But I have to live with the extremely ugly "Eurobumpers" in the front:mad:

that is interesting, i thought that leveling; either auto/manual is required by the EU?

[Berra]

You might be right that it is requirded in the EU. When I think about it all the cars that I have had that has been built in the last 10 years have had it. In the Swedish manual for the JK it is stated as "option".

[csims723]

Ok guys I just ordered my lights from Daniel Stern and was wondering if everyone has used the diodes that Daniel recommended to prevent the relays from buzzing? Did you get any warning lights on the dash after the install. Looking at the wiring diagram on the FSM it list one of the wires as a Signal wire. I believe this is just the ground wire, but wanted to make sure before the install. Thanks Chris

[shrockworks]

I was wondering: For similar money (because these Cibies are not cheap), could I just buy a windshield spotlight bracket, and corresponding Hella-type offroad spotlight, and tie that in with my high beams? Seems like that would give me good long-range visibility (which the stock high beams already have), and the spotlight could be angled to fill in the "near" gaps of the stock high beams...

Has anyone considered this or gone this route?

Yeah I've done this on several vehicles. I was in a hurry installing my current PIAA's on the JK and just used the included harness, but I really like the high beam trigger through a relay since you get a lot more use out of your lights . They are on with the high beams every time you turn them on, and you can switch them off fast if a car shows up in front of you using the high beam switch.

For bang-for-the-buck, pickup some Hella 500's and wire them through a relay using a high beam wire to trigger the relay. It will make a huge difference and cost less than $100.

[dsy]

Ok guys I just ordered my lights from Daniel Stern and was wondering if everyone has used the diodes that Daniel recommended to prevent the relays from buzzing? Did you get any warning lights on the dash after the install. Looking at the wiring diagram on the FSM it list one of the wires as a Signal wire. I believe this is just the ground wire, but wanted to make sure before the install. Thanks Chris


Yep, http://jk-forum.com/showpost.php?p=26695&postcount=2 No warning lights on the dash. When I first installed mine with out using the caps and diodes the lights worked great until the engine started. Then the lights pulsed in brightness and the relays sounded like a bee was trapped inside them. I dont think you would run into that problem if you dont use relays. I went with relays and higher gauge wire so I could run any wattage bulbs I wanted in my cibie lamps. With the caps installed on the relays, have had no problems with lighting.

[csims723]

Thanks, I am installing the works. I am building the wiring harness with 12 gauge wire and using relay's. I to want every watt of power availble. Thanks for your help. Chris
Yep, http://jk-forum.com/showpost.php?p=26695&postcount=2 No warning lights on the dash. When I first installed mine with out using the caps and diodes the lights worked great until the engine started. Then the lights pulsed in brightness and the relays sounded like a bee was trapped inside them. I dont think you would run into that problem if you dont use relays. I went with relays and higher gauge wire so I could run any wattage bulbs I wanted in my cibie lamps. With the caps installed on the relays, have had no problems with lighting.

[captsam54]

Sorry, no additional pictures of the harness. The harness was not complete in the photo. I will try to take some of the beam pattern on a wall.

The unique thing about the beam pattern is you can stare directly at the light as long as you are above the cutoff. Move two inches lower and your retinas are toast.:yup:
Hi, finally got my headlight harness in from Susquehanna Motor Sports.. (They make the Cibie harness for Daniel Stern)

Evidently I am the 1st person to order one for the 07 JK.. cause they sent me one for an 07 Liberty..

I called them up and spoke to Dave.. Nice guy.. He said it should work fine.. I was thinking the right side headlight wire was too short..( If I wanted to follow others and mount the relays etc, on the firewall)

If I use this one I will not be able to do that.. I would like to see pic's of someones wiring harness install/in place etc. so I can get a better idea of what I should do..

At this point I am thinking of installing the Cibie lights without all the Harness and relays , and just going with the stock harness etc.
and sending that 74 dollar wiring Harness back..!!



ANY INFO THOUGHTS ETC. WOULD BE APPRECIATED...!!

[John L]

Hi, finally got my headlight harness in from Susquehanna Motor Sports.. (They make the Cibie harness for Daniel Stern)

Evidently I am the 1st person to order one for the 07 JK.. cause they sent me one for an 07 Liberty..

I called them up and spoke to Dave.. Nice guy.. He said it should work fine.. I was thinking the right side headlight wire was too short..( If I wanted to follow others and mount the relays etc, on the firewall)

If I use this one I will not be able to do that.. I would like to see pic's of someones wiring harness install/in place etc. so I can get a better idea of what I should do..

At this point I am thinking of installing the Cibie lights without all the Harness and relays , and just going with the stock harness etc.
and sending that 74 dollar wiring Harness back..!!



ANY INFO THOUGHTS ETC. WOULD BE APPRECIATED...!!

The relays are there for a reason, you'll throw a fuse (or breaker).
Depending on what bulbs you run, the stock harness probably won't like the current load. That's what the relay(s) are for, to relieve the load from the stock harness.

[captsam54]

The relays are there for a reason, you'll throw a fuse (or breaker).
Depending on what bulbs you run, the stock harness probably won't like the current load. That's what the relay(s) are for, to relieve the load from the stock harness.
Yea, Your right.. I was reading a post from Shrockrocks saying he thought the harness would be adaquite..
I did get the Cibie lamps and the Osram Hyper 70/65w bulbs..

So I will have to install the harness..

Wondering if anyone has done it yet.. With pictures..!!!

[shrockworks]

Yea, Your right.. I was reading a post from Shrockrocks saying he thought the harness would be adaquite..
I did get the Cibie lamps and the Osram Hyper 70/65w bulbs..

So I will have to install the harness..

Wondering if anyone has done it yet.. With pictures..!!!

I have since learned that the lighting is controlled by the ubiquitous JK computer module. Based on how it handles (or doesnt handle) aftermarket fog lights, I wouldnt be suprised to see it shut the lights off if anything but a stock bulb is being powered by the stock wiring. The relays may be needed to keep the computer happy.

[csims723]

Yea, Your right.. I was reading a post from Shrockrocks saying he thought the harness would be adaquite..
I did get the Cibie lamps and the Osram Hyper 70/65w bulbs..

So I will have to install the harness..

Wondering if anyone has done it yet.. With pictures..!!!

I am starting my install tomorrow and will try to do a full write up including the harness for you all. Maybe I can pull it off. I get so into wiring and forget to take pictures. We shall see. More later. Chris

[captsam54]

I am starting my install tomorrow and will try to do a full write up including the harness for you all. Maybe I can pull it off. I get so into wiring and forget to take pictures. We shall see. More later. Chris
Awesome.. I would have done mine by now.. but when they sent the harness, it was for a Liberty.. "Susquhanna" who evidently makes them for Daniel Stern said they hadn't actually made one for the Jk yet.. SO.. I gave them new measurments, and sent the harness back.. Hoping to get a new one in soon.. "The correct one" !!!

[captsam54]

I am starting my install tomorrow and will try to do a full write up including the harness for you all. Maybe I can pull it off. I get so into wiring and forget to take pictures. We shall see. More later. Chris
Chris.. did you get it wired up yet???

[csims723]

Chris.. did you get it wired up yet???

Sam,
I got all wired up and found the best location for the relays. If you mount your relays between the fuse box and the battery you can pull the trigger wires out of the bundle and have a great clean install. I am working on the write up to include the FSM pin out information for the install. I did take pictures of the wiring locations and a few of the install. I will try to get it all uploaded tomorrow. I must say that I was greatly supprised by the overall diffrence of the quality of light from the new lights. I also installed the lexan covers over the Cibie tubs and Wired the city lights up to the park lights. Ill work on the write up tomorrow or Saturday. Chris

[captsam54]

Sam,
I got all wired up and found the best location for the relays. If you mount your relays between the fuse box and the battery you can pull the trigger wires out of the bundle and have a great clean install. I am working on the write up to include the FSM pin out information for the install. I did take pictures of the wiring locations and a few of the install. I will try to get it all uploaded tomorrow. I must say that I was greatly supprised by the overall diffrence of the quality of light from the new lights. I also installed the lexan covers over the Cibie tubs and Wired the city lights up to the park lights. Ill work on the write up tomorrow or Saturday. Chris
Awesome..!!! You had better post that in "write ups", because a ton of people will be interested..!!. (And) so everyone can see it... I am looking forward to seeing the pic's and it will make mine go much easier..!!! Yea..!!:bowdown:

[jsmoriss]

Sam,
I got all wired up and found the best location for the relays. If you mount your relays between the fuse box and the battery you can pull the trigger wires out of the bundle and have a great clean install. I am working on the write up to include the FSM pin out information for the install. I did take pictures of the wiring locations and a few of the install. I will try to get it all uploaded tomorrow. I must say that I was greatly supprised by the overall diffrence of the quality of light from the new lights. I also installed the lexan covers over the Cibie tubs and Wired the city lights up to the park lights. Ill work on the write up tomorrow or Saturday. Chris

I just finished doing the same thing, but used the existing wire harness instead. I thought about using relays and new wires, but wasn't sure the difference would be significant enough for the work involved. Maybe your write-up will change my mind. :-)

js.

[captsam54]

I just finished doing the same thing, but used the existing wire harness instead. I thought about using relays and new wires, but wasn't sure the difference would be significant enough for the work involved. Maybe your write-up will change my mind. :-)

js.
I think Chris is to busy out driving his jeep and enjoying his new light setup..!! I expect he will get around to posting the write-up and pic's before too long.. I am giving him some slack as my new harness hasn't made it here yet.. But if it gets here before he does his write-up.. I WILL be beating his door down to get the info...!!!!

[captsam54]

Sam,
I got all wired up and found the best location for the relays. If you mount your relays between the fuse box and the battery you can pull the trigger wires out of the bundle and have a great clean install. I am working on the write up to include the FSM pin out information for the install. I did take pictures of the wiring locations and a few of the install. I will try to get it all uploaded tomorrow. I must say that I was greatly supprised by the overall diffrence of the quality of light from the new lights. I also installed the lexan covers over the Cibie tubs and Wired the city lights up to the park lights. Ill work on the write up tomorrow or Saturday. Chris
Chris.. Got my new "correct" harness in yesterday.. Looking forward to your pic's of the install so as to make mine easier..!!! Especially looking to see where/how you did the tap-ins..!! UH Please..>> thanks..

[csims723]

CaptSam, Well you were right. I am enjoying the great lights in the mountians. We went to the Coal Creek OHV in Oliver Springs Tennesee yesterday and my FSM is in Georgia. I will post the full write up when we get home on the 30th. I can post a few pics of the install but the pin out info will have to come later.

I removed the front grill as described in other post. Remove the black plastic rivits by backing out the screws and pulling them out. Then pop out the metal clips by pulling the grill toward the bumper.
http://my.project-jk.com/data/688/medium/Picture_or_Video_027.JPG
You then have to unplug the turn signals by sliding the red lock towards the wires and pressing the clip into the plug to remove them.
http://my.project-jk.com/data/688/medium/Picture_or_Video_028.JPG
I then removed the fuse box by pulling the four clips away from the box and pulling up on the fuse box. your looking for the green plug located towards the battery. It plugs in to the fuse box here.
http://my.project-jk.com/data/688/medium/Picture_or_Video_031.JPG
This is the wiring bundle you need to unplug. It has a green plug and to release it you have to flip the lock up . Its a white grey color and as you flip it it unplugs the harness plug. As for the pin out I will update this later. Or if anyone has the FSM you can get the pin out for this plug listed in the Central Power Module. Ill get it posted as soon as I get home.
http://my.project-jk.com/data/688/medium/Picture_or_Video_030.JPG
You will be pulling a total of six wires out of this bundle. Be carefull to identify these carefully because the wiring colors are duplicated several times for other items in the bundle. I eased the wires back and fourth until I was sure it was the right wire. After I was sure I cut the headlight plug off the passenger side. and pulled the three wires off the passenger side. I took the ground and High beam trigger from this light for the High Beam Relay.
http://my.project-jk.com/data/688/medium/Picture_or_Video_029.JPG
Behind the headlamp tub is where you will locate the wiring that routes to the drivers headlamp. You will not be able to slide these wires all the way out because they are taped with electrical tape. I located the proper wires and pulled them from the bundle back to the fuse box.
http://my.project-jk.com/data/688/medium/Picture_or_Video_032.JPG
Here are the wires pulled from the factory bundle. As you see I have the passenger side gound and passenger side high beam paired together for the High Beam Relay. I then have the drivers side ground and drivers side low beam paired together for the low beam relay. This leaves you two wires left over. One is a High beam and one is a low beam. These can be used as a trigger wire for other relays( Low beam for fog lights and High beam for Off road lights so don't cut them out of the plug yet). Now for the relay wiring. Your relays will have number on them to designate the wiring harness.
I ran the ground from the lights to the 85 terminal then the power to the 86
terminal. If you have good relays you will have two 87 terminals. The 87 terminals feed power to the new lights. The 30 terminals go the the battery with a fuse inline. Hope this short write up helps until I can get you guys a full write up.

[captsam54]

Awesome.. i didn't think of pulling the old wires out..!! maybe I better had..!!
I look forward to the rest of your write-up.. Thanks...

[duffman]

I just intalled my cibie's with homemade wiring harness today. I didn't go from the fuse box. I just cut the wires at the passenger side socket and connected the low and high beam triggers to the relays since that is where my relays were going anyway. I then ran separate ground wires from the relays. My biggest problem was figuring out which wire was the low beam and which was the high beam in the stock harness untill I had one of those "oh you are such a dumbass moments". I realized all I needed to do was cut one of the wires and turn on the headlights and figure it out through process of elimination since I was cutting the wires anyway.

This was the first time I've done anything electrical to an automotive so I was pretty excited when everything worked!

[Phishjeep]

Which bulbs did everyone go with? I know there are several options. I want to be wowed by the difference.

[captsam54]

Which bulbs did everyone go with? I know there are several options. I want to be wowed by the difference.
I got the recomended OSRAM's Hyper..70/65 w.. But haven't got them installed yet..

[duffman]

I got the recomended OSRAM's Hyper..70/65 w.. But haven't got them installed yet..

Same for me. There is a pretty substantial difference. There is more light and it is where it needs to be. I smile everytime I turn my lights on!

[csims723]

Hey guys I also used the recommended Orasm 70/65 bulbs and I am very pleased. I can tell you to go off road a little to break in the suspension then set your head lights. I set mine up before coal creek OHV. Before the rock crawling I never got flashed by on coming traffic. After the rock crawling I get flashed by smaller cars that sit low to the ground. The only thing I can account for is the suspension breaking in and lifting the front end up a little. I will have to realign the lamps. Hope this helps. Chris

[John L]

To everyone that has done the upgrade via Daniel Stern....


I ordered all the items a few days back, housings, bulbs, relay kit.
I got one box today, with everything but the housings. I'm hoping for another box, but was only provided with one tracking number for this one shipment.
Is this the way you received your items, housings separate from the rest of the stuff?

Slightly concerned here.....

BTW, my DHL label says 2 lbs. for the box, how much did yours weigh if everything was in one box?

Sorry for the hijack.

[Woods]

All one box for me.

[csims723]

To everyone that has done the upgrade via Daniel Stern....


I ordered all the items a few days back, housings, bulbs, relay kit.
I got one box today, with everything but the housings. I'm hoping for another box, but was only provided with one tracking number for this one shipment.
Is this the way you received your items, housings separate from the rest of the stuff?

Slightly concerned here.....

BTW, my DHL label says 2 lbs. for the box, how much did yours weigh if everything was in one box?

Sorry for the hijack.
Not to worry John,
I recieved my housings in a box first. Got worried and contacted Daniel and he said seperate shipping boxes. It will get there. Chris

[captsam54]

Hey guys I also used the recommended Orasm 70/65 bulbs and I am very pleased. I can tell you to go off road a little to break in the suspension then set your head lights. I set mine up before coal creek OHV. Before the rock crawling I never got flashed by on coming traffic. After the rock crawling I get flashed by smaller cars that sit low to the ground. The only thing I can account for is the suspension breaking in and lifting the front end up a little. I will have to realign the lamps. Hope this helps. Chris
Well. me and a Buddie did the Cibie lamp and harness install yesterday.. all went well.. had to find the correct wires to attach to.. (blue/white) on the drivers side is low beam.. (White/green) is the high beam. They work great.. but now I have to align them.. as they are off..

I also got a set of Bosch fogs and a wiring harness from Daniel too. Put them in yesterday.. Nothing really came with instructions.. There is a single blue wire.. I don't know where it goes but am assuming that t is some trigger wire as they don't work.. Daniel has no telephone # that I can find, I emailed him about it yesterday.. so far no response.. I have about $800 in lights and harness's now.. I must be "blind" !!!

[John L]

Not to worry John,
I recieved my housings in a box first. Got worried and contacted Daniel and he said seperate shipping boxes. It will get there. Chris

All one box for me.

Thanks guys, I got in contact with Daniel, housings are on the way.
This actually worked out OK, I was able to take my time building the harness. It blends in so well you have to have intimate knowledge of the wiring to know its there.

All that's left is plug them in and aiming.

[captsam54]

"All that's left is plug them in and aiming."

I am having an issue with that as you can't do it yourself.. It takes a special tool to adjust the lamps.. So either you get one or have to take it in somewhere.. I wish there was some place local with the magic machine.. I will be checking around.. toady..

[mcnaught6]

"All that's left is plug them in and aiming."

I am having an issue with that as you can't do it yourself.. It takes a special tool to adjust the lamps.. So either you get one or have to take it in somewhere.. I wish there was some place local with the magic machine.. I will be checking around.. toady..

all it takes is ground and a flat wall 15 feet away to shine your lights on.

[captsam54]

all it takes is ground and a flat wall 15 feet away to shine your lights on.
Yes.. I know that.. Most recomend 25 ft. But you need the "tool" to adjust..

[duffman]

The only "tool" required is a torx although I forget which # torx. There is only one torx screw on each lamp to adjust the lamps vertically. There is no horizontal adjustment.

[John L]

The only "tool" required is a torx although I forget which # torx. There is only one torx screw on each lamp to adjust the lamps vertically. There is no horizontal adjustment.


What he said, a #15 torx, or same size as the headlamp retainer ring screws, right???

[captsam54]

What he said, a #15 torx, or same size as the headlamp retainer ring screws, right???
No.. There are 2 indents on the grille cover for the adjustments.. I tried the torx the same size etc, of the trim ring, but that didn't work.. I will get after it with a flashlight and see.. Someone is bound to know for sure..!!!

[mcnaught6]

you can't reach the adjustment screws without taking off the grill.

[duffman]

You are correct in that there are 2 indents. However on our US-spec JK's only one indent has the torx screw for vertical adjustment, the other indent has no screw and is fixed. I thought a special tool was needed as well until I took a closer look and saw that there is nothing to turn in the other indent, its just a peg like thing. The other indent is for european JK's and is for horizontal adjustment. Look in the daylight and it is much easier to see.

You can also adjust the screws with the grill on. I used a multi-star wrench tool which is thin enough to fit through then indent and turn the screw.

[John L]

I just came in from looking and actually turning the adjusting screws for the headlamps and am witness to these results.

It takes a #15 torx driver in screwdriver form. Anything with a shank larger than about .200 will not fit in the given space.

On the drivers side, look at the grill cover around the lamp. At about the 2:00 position, you will find a relief molded in the grill cover.

Look in the relief and you will find a silver colored torx headed screw approximately .840 past the edge of the trim ring in the aft direction.

Turn it with the afore mentioned driver and the headlamp will tilt either up or down depending on which way you turn it.

The passenger side is the same only in mirrored fashion. The adjuster is in the 10:00 position.

There is only one adjuster per lamp, it only goes up or down.

This is what works on my Jeep bought in the USA.

I do not have to take my grill off to adjust my headlight aim.

Someone with a FSM can confirm this.

[dsy]

I just came in from looking and actually turning the adjusting screws for the headlamps and am witness to these results.

It takes a #15 torx driver in screwdriver form. Anything with a shank larger than about .200 will not fit in the given space.

On the drivers side, look at the grill cover around the lamp. At about the 2:00 position, you will find a relief molded in the grill cover.

Look in the relief and you will find a silver colored torx headed screw approximately .840 past the edge of the trim ring in the aft direction.

Turn it with the afore mentioned driver and the headlamp will tilt either up or down depending on which way you turn it.

The passenger side is the same only in mirrored fashion. The adjuster is in the 10:00 position.

There is only one adjuster per lamp, it only goes up or down.

This is what works on my Jeep bought in the USA.

I do not have to take my grill off to adjust my headlight aim.

Someone with a FSM can confirm this.

This is all correct per FSM and personal experience.... you do not need any special tool other than the t-15 torx driver that I picked up at Sears. You can use the wall method or what I found to work the best for me, which was just stop on a empty dark road and adjust as needed. If you get flashed afterwards turn them down some.

[John L]

This is all correct per FSM and personal experience.... you do not need any special tool other than the t-15 torx driver that I picked up at Sears. You can use the wall method or what I found to work the best for me, which was just stop on a empty dark road and adjust as needed. If you get flashed afterwards turn them down some.

Thanks for confirming this with the FSM.

[captsam54]

Thanks for the info.. Went out and found my Craftsman #15 torx and did the adjustments.. Funny there is a side indent on the grille that would lead you to think there would be a horizontal adjustment..

[John L]

Thanks for the info.. Went out and found my Craftsman #15 torx and did the adjustments.. Funny there is a side indent on the grille that would lead you to think there would be a horizontal adjustment..

That's great, I'm glad you got it done. The other indent is for horizontal, but as duffman stated earlier that "option", and I use that term loosely, is for the Euro Jeep crowd.

Apparently some governing body thinks we Americans can only keep up with one set of adjustments on our lights, but allows us to talk on the phone and drive at the same time:crazyeyes: .......

I wonder if a set of adjusters could be fit.......

BTW, some of the salvages I frequent are starting to turn up a few JK's.....
I've been out scavaging parts for next to nothing:D

[captsam54]

That's great, I'm glad you got it done. The other indent is for horizontal, but as duffman stated earlier that "option", and I use that term loosely, is for the Euro Jeep crowd.

Apparently some governing body thinks we Americans can only keep up with one set of adjustments on our lights, but allows us to talk on the phone and drive at the same time:crazyeyes: .......

I wonder if a set of adjusters could be fit.......

BTW, some of the salvages I frequent are starting to turn up a few JK's.....
I've been out scavaging parts for next to nothing:D
John L.. Thanks for all.. It might be interesting to find out if those adjusters would fit so we could do the horizontals on our Cibie's..!! If you find some in your savaging.. it would be fun to find out..!!

[John L]

Got my housings in yesterday (thanks Daniel) and 30 minutes later I had new lamps installed. I'm glad that I installed the harness last weekend. Before I popped in the new lamps I made some reference lines on the garage wall with tape from the stock lamps. New ones were very close, I don't have time to aim them properly until this weekend. When I left for work this morning (it is always dark when I go to work) I was very pleased with them.

And to top it off, I met a car in the neighborhood while driving to the main road. Now this is a rare occurance, as I leave for work around 4:10. Not only did I meet this car, it was a cop car. I though Oh s**t, here we go......but he didn't flash me or anything so I guess the aim was OK to him.

All in all, I strongly reccommend this upgrade, well worth it. I CAN SEE!!!!!

[jpaddict]

For those of you who are considering HID lights . . . . .

[dsy]

Anyone interested in a pair of Cibies check the for sale section

Edit:sold

[nclehmann]

x2 :thumbsup:

I bought my Wipac's a week after I bought my JK. Got 'em with wiring harness and all. UNBELIEVABLE improvement. No need for extra lights.

Daniel Stern is da man!