Long range rifle?

[Cruiser]

Whats a good long range rifle cal? It used to be 308,, now I'd love a .50bmg,, but I don't think I can afford one of those, or find a place to shoot,, not many ranges cover 3 miles.. would be nice tho.. I have an old marlin 22 single shot bolt action that is ok, I used to shoot competitively back in high school and just like the longer range stuff.
Thanks,

[plk457]

IMO .308 is a great long range caliber. I have been shooting my .22-.250 a lot lately. I don't do too much real long range stuff but 300 yards is pretty common. Any heavy barreled flat shooting calibered rifle will work for distances that make most uncomfortable. IMO the caliber that you are most comfortable is the best long distance gun out there.

[yetibear]

Agreeing that the .50 is just to expensive to shoot, the old .30-06 is no slouch, the 308 is just a reduced capacity '06. And the .300 Win mag has some impressive long range credits behind it.

Long range target shooting isn't really my bailiwick, but if you are really interested in it just let me know. My Dad was into that long range stuff, it would give me a chance to go thru some of his old papers.

And if you have that .22. and it is accurate, like you say, put some 50 foot small bore rifle targets at 100 yards. That would be a good simulation for those 1000yd shots you want to try.

[csorensen]

I hear that the .308 is one of the best to start out with and learn distance shooting. .300 Win-mag is popular as well.

[AK4Dave]

I'm sure you'd agree that "long range" is a relative term. In your post you don't say what you think long range is. You also don't say if you want to use it for hunting or just target shooting.
One guys long range may be no more than 100 yards, another guys is 4-500 yards, and yet some guys think 1000 yards or better is long range. I myself would consider 4-600 yards, pretty darn long range stuff. But long range sure depends on the caliber you're shooting.
If you are like me and think 4-600 yards is long range, (I'm talking about hunting now), then I would really look into one of the magnums, or the newer Ultra mags. But then again, if you reload you can do things with standard calibers that can rivel the magnums. But if you don't reload, I really feel that the magnum is the way to go. I personally shoot (and reload for) an 8mm Rem Mag. The way I have it sighted in, I can pretty much hold right on an animal sized target up to 400 yards away and hit it. Like others have mentioned, the 300 mag is a very good "all around" magnum, and you would be able to do amazing things with it.
But if you are uncomfortable shooting a magnum, (big bark and bite) and many are, then a few of the standard smaller calibers can work very well for you.....as far as the "longer" ranges go. A few that come to mind are the 308, which used to be the "sniper" caliber, the 30'06, one of THE best hunting calibers there ever has been, or the 270. The 270 with it's smaller bullet pushes almost magnum velocities. Many, many, many hunters believe the 270 is one of the best flat shooting calibers there is.
If you want to go smaller yet, the 257 Roberts is no slouch either. My father had a 257 Wildcat, and he shot more deer than I could count at well over 300 yards.........but he was a hell of a shot too!!!
If you want to go lighter yet, the new 17 mag has really blasted into the target shooters camp. I've heard great things about this new round. Lightweight, light recoil, fast, flat and accurate....a target shooters dream. The only thing with these lighter bullets, is you really need pretty good weather conditions to do any real serious target shooting. The slightest bit of wind can really move a fast, light bullet all over the place. And in the case of hunting, of course the smaller the bullet, the smaller the animal you may be able to hunt with it.
There are just so many rounds out there that can give you very good results. It just really depends what you want to do with it.....hunt, target, or both. 100, 400, or 1000+ yards??? Answer those questions first and go from there.
Good Luck and Have Fun...!!!

[Cruiser]

Thanks for the info,, and to answer your questions,, most likely 5-600yards, and on occasion playing at 1000,, target not hunting most of the time. But might get out to hunt next year if time permits. A buddy's family has a hunting cabin that has a nice stretch of cornfield out in front. You can shoot off the porch, when the corns down, and they have their targets at the 1/4 way out in the field.. If you went all the way to the tree line its real close to a 1/2 mile. They also use a golf cart to go check and fix the targets.

[2K1TJ]

Look into what the others have mentioned, as well as the .243 Winchester catridge. That's been pretty accurate for me. And as was mentioned, "long range" is definately a relative term.

It really depends on what you're shooting for. Are you hunting, or just punching holes in targets? Some of the smaller rounds might be a touch more accurate, but also might lack the energy needed for a kill at long range.

[AK4Dave]

Well Cruiser......Then if you think you might "want" to go hunting, and may get the chance, then you probably want to think about a large enough caliber to down at least deer sized game. So that puts you into the 30 cal, or at least the "close to" range. Again......the 270 is darn near like a magnum without the belt. But, I think if it was me, (and if you can afford it) I'd really lean towards the real deal....a 30 cal magnum or Ultra mag. I'd want one of these Ultra mags just "because it's there"....ha!!! They indeed are incredible rifles, but the price tags are what have kept me at bay.
If $$$ is no option, and a "standard?"magnum will do, the 300 Weatherby Mag is one of the best out there. You would be able to do, (target wise), and kill, darn near anything on the planet with this gun. Once again, the magnums can sometimes bite as hard as they bark, so keep this in mind if you are wanting a comfortable rifle to shoot. Of course, with all stock, and custom made muzzle breaks on the market these days, you can tame even the largest calibers down pretty well.
The 300 Win Mag, will do "almost" what the Weatherby can, for a lot less $$$. But the old tried and true Remingtons, Savages, etc..., may be all you need. Like most of us have said, it's all in what you want to do with it.
Always keep in mind that the way a rifle is sighted in, is what can really determine how "long range" it is. If you were to take a regular 308 or 30'06 and sight it in at say 4-6" high at 200 yards, then guess what it will be doing out there at 4-500. Don't quote me on that as I don't have the ballistics charts in front of me, but I think you can understand what I'm getting at.
I would take a little time and go over the ballistics charts on all these calibers. It will show you exactly what they will do, (on paper anyway), at many of the different yardages. The muzzle velocity and foot pounds of energy downrange will be there too. One of them is bound to fall into what you are looking for.
Remember a big caliber (magnum) will be useless to you if you are afraid of when it goes off and you find yourself "flinching" all the time. You will be far more accurate with a gun that you feel comfortabe, and confident with everytime you squeeze the trigger.
HAVE FUN...!!!!

[yetibear]

If you want to do some research for yourself, look up some things written by Jack O'Connor. He was a big .270 guy, but he was much deeper than that, lots of long range stuff. It is admittedly a little old(he's dead almost 30 years now) but he is well thought out and just a good writer. And if you need a laugh, try to find some of the articles that were written when he and Elmer Kieth were feuding, O'Connor was the better writer, and kind of held himself above the fray, but old Elmer Kieth was/is hilarious to read. Elmer could be a bit bombastic at times.:rotflmao2:

[MDPJeep]

We just watched the new Rambo last night and man oh man that sniper rifle they use is awesome!!

I have some vids (probably on U Tube now) of allied forces using a 50 cal rifle on targets over a mile away and it seems like their whole bodies explode.

[AK4Dave]

Jack O'Conner reads are absolutely THE BEST...!!!


And yes....I saw the same video of the "Big 50" not only hitting those pukes, but blowing them totally off the mountian in a bazillion pieces. Crazy Stuff...!!!

Here is the text of that video....

Read this before opening the attachment, sit back and enjoy Canadian
Sniper in Afghanistan These video shots are not made through the
shooter's telescopic sight... they are made looking through the
spotter's scope.

The spotter lies right next to the sniper and helps the sniper to find
and home in on the target.

The sniper is using a 50 caliber rifle. A 50 cal. round is about 7-8
inches long and the casing is about an inch in diameter. The bullet
itself is one-half inch in diameter and roughly one and one-half inches
long.

Pay close attention to the beginning of the video. A Taliban is laying
on top of the peak in front of you... when you hear the shot fired....
watch what happens. The sniper is also about a half mile away... or
more.

A Canadian sniper in Afghanistan has been confirmed as hitting an enemy
soldier at a range of 2,310 meters, the longest recorded and confirmed
sniper shot in history. The previous record of 2,250 meters was set by
US Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock in Vietnam in 1967. The Canadian
sniper was at an altitude of 8,500 feet and the target, across a valley,
was at 9,000 feet. Canadian sniper units often operated in support of
US infantry units, which were grateful for their help. The record
lasted only one day, until a second Canadian sniper hit an enemy soldier
at 2,400 meters (8000 feet).

The Canadian snipers fire special .50-caliber McMillan tactical rifles,
which are bolt-action weapons with five-round magazines. The Canadian
snipers were the only Canadian troops operating without helmets or flak
jackets as they had too much other equipment to carry. Each three-man
team has one sniper rifle, three standard rifles (Canadian C7s), one of
them with a 203mm grenade launcher.

[Cruiser]

I like the 50's,, just cant afford to buy or shoot one.. The US has been using the too.. A buddy who recently came back from over there was telling me they used them to dissable the tanks.. Would shoot the track on one side, which would blow it off, and it would go into a spin. Then it made a real easy target..
Thanks for all the info,, looks like I'll be doing alot of reading,, also just picked up a new-to-me trailer this weekend,, a 66 M416 US army issue trailer in rough but fixable shape..
Thanks,,
Steve

[CAOKKIE]

I have a 300 Weatherby Mag Mark 5 Accumark with a 5.5X22 NightForce and it really gets the job done.

[Cruiser]

A local gun shop nearby has a 50 cal bolt action, in good used shape for $2400,, and .50 military type semi for a measly 8k.. Still waiting to buy.. paying for the hot tub tomorrow,, so the gun will have to wait.. for now at least..
Thanks,,
Steve

[Kachad]

One thing that I don't think that I saw in this thread: What's the objective target for the long range rifle in mind? Prior to commenting on what type of rifle is appropriate, that would be my first question.

[Cruiser]

Target shooting,, depending on caliber would change the target up.. a can of soup is a nice target that gives a good reaction..

[Kachad]

If you're not reloading, I would suggest the .223. Ammo cost would be significantly cheaper.

[donjonald]

I use a Remington 700 in 7mm-08, good whitetail cartridge without being hard on the shoulder. Only complaint is limited ammo manufacturers.

edit: I didnt read what your looking for, im lazy.

[Cruiser]

The local shop said $5 per round..

[EmbarkChief]

We just watched the new Rambo last night and man oh man that sniper rifle they use is awesome!!

I have some vids (probably on U Tube now) of allied forces using a 50 cal rifle on targets over a mile away and it seems like their whole bodies explode.

That vid goes round and round. That's not people they are shooting those are Rockchucks. Think about it, hit a squirrel with a .270 what happens? They blow up right? Just like in the vid. Now consider the size of a .270 round (140 grain) vs. the size of the squirrel. Now make the same comparison between a .50 (800 grain for arguments sake), that's almost 6 times the size of the .270. Now, how many squirrel's does it take to make up an average man? A lot more than 6 is your answer. Its a neat vid, but those are not people and I seriously doubt that's a .50. :hmm:

[Geeper4x4]

My vote for long range 4-600+ meters is 308. This is a DPMS LR308. My favorite to hunt with is a 270.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/old15bravo/hoodornament.jpg

[Shoup]

I love the Remington 700 in .308. Great weapon system and very affordable.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/rem_700tws.jpg

[Geeper4x4]

Another praise for the Remington 700:

I use the Remington 700 as my hunting rifle. It is a 270 caliber with a Leupold scope. I had the trigger worked on by a gunsmith (just right...sweeet).Great weapon. I shouldn't have to say it but...second long gun from the top.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/old15bravo/IMG_0463.jpg

[ROKLIMO]

.308 is a great choice. Relatively inexpensive ammunition, and easy on the shoulder. I do love my .300WSM though...

[silver rubicon]

as noted repeatedly above, you can't go wrong with a .308 or a .300 Win Mag ( I have both). but you might want to take a look at the .338 Lapua (my next long range gun if i fall into some extra cash!).

if you arent familiar with it, you may want to research the caliber prior to making a decision; start with an intro and history of the cartridge and go from there, e.g., here is an excerpt from wikipedia:

The .338 Lapua Magnum is considered an ideal military long-range anti-personnel cartridge by long-range sniping specialists like John D. Taylor and Dean Michaelis. It fills the gap between weapons chambered for standard military rounds such as the 7.62x51mm NATO and large, weighty rifles firing the .50 BMG cartridge. It also offers a tolerable amount of barrel wear, which is important to military snipers who tend to fire thousands of rounds in practice every year to acquire and maintain expert long-range marksmanship.[8] Like every other big cartridge the .338 Lapua Magnum presents a stout recoil. An appropriate fitting stock and an effective muzzle brake will help to reduce recoil induced problems, enabling the operator the fire more rounds before getting too uncomfortable to shoot accurately anymore. Good factory loads, multiple projectile weights and factory special application ammunition are all available.

Due to its growing civilian popularity, several high quality tactical and match (semi) custom bolt actions designed for the .338 Lapua Magnum are becoming available. These (semi) custom bolt actions are used with other high grade rifle and sighting components to build custom sporting and target rifles. Such rifles are ordered by long-range, accuracy oriented shooters and are built by specialized, highly skilled gunsmiths. They can cost thousands of euro’s or dollars. When built to expectation, such rifles are very accurate - 0.5 MOA or better consistent accuracy for a particular rifle with optimized ammunition is considered normal. A large degree of skill is required to achieve this level of accuracy.

[Gi Joe]

Remington 7mm Mag.

[Cruiser]

I want one of those so so bad,, but the $$ keeps it out of reach.. If I got one I wouldnt be able to afford the $5 per shot price

[Ben]

Agreeing that the .50 is just to expensive to shoot, the old .30-06 is no slouch, the 308 is just a reduced capacity '06. And the .300 Win mag has some impressive long range credits behind it.

Long range target shooting isn't really my bailiwick, but if you are really interested in it just let me know. My Dad was into that long range stuff, it would give me a chance to go thru some of his old papers.

And if you have that .22. and it is accurate, like you say, put some 50 foot small bore rifle targets at 100 yards. That would be a good simulation for those 1000yd shots you want to try.

I am a huge proponent of the .22 method you described. If you can peg nail heads at 50 yds, transitioning to the big bore long range shot should be no problem.

My 2 cents on longrange shooting, while I love shooting, I prefer almost all of my "real" (not 22's,) guns to be military style weapons. So if I were going to a 500 yd shoot, (never done a 1000 yd shot,) I would take my old m1 garand. For a new modern day gun, how about the remington 700 synthetic flat bottom stock, floated super heavy barrel, in .308, that is what police snipers use many times.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e177/scorpion2076/USMC/IMG_0138.jpg

[Cruiser]

Its funny you say nail heads,, back in school we would get tired of waiting on the floor for others in the row to finish their target and pick off the tacks that held the targets up.. Rules were nobody on row was allowed up until the whole line was done. We had one kid that was a little slower at his targets than everybody else. I usually was on one side and a girl was on the other side.. She was a little better shot than me.. We would take turns finishing his target up the shoot out the tacks so our day would be over. Then we could load up and get on the bus for the ride back to school to unload then drive home.. Might go look at one of those remingtons soon. Tried shooting my buddies .38 revolver the other day and my hand just couldn't take the recoil. Had cortisone inj. done a few months ago but could use them again. I'm putting off the new 45 auto and thinking about a rifle again..

[Leave Town]

I love the Remington 700 in .308. Great weapon system and very affordable.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/rem_700tws.jpg

Is there a reason why you haven't cut the foam to fit your rifle? Just pull the 2"" foam piece out of the bottom of your hard case, trace your setup with a sharpie (make it tight) and then cut the foam out with a sharp knife or razor...

There is another piece of foam under the piece you cut, so it blocks the rifle in perfectly... I have several pieces of foam cut so I can use one hard case with several different rifles...:wink:

Like so-

http://www.jk-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14218&stc=1&d=1224133295

[Zylfrax791]

Here is the sickest German made long range rifle money can buy...

http://www.theshootingedge.com/cmgallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=12

[USAF_GroundRat]

I for one love .50 BMG but for price the .308 makes more sense for most folks. Here are a couple of rifles that are mine and some are my dad's.

FNFAL
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/usaf_groundrat/FAL_02.jpg
State Arms "Big Bertha" .50BMG Skeletal Stock
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/usaf_groundrat/krisBig50.jpg
State Arms "Big Bertha" .50BMG Wood Thumb Hole Stock
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/usaf_groundrat/Forum/50_me.jpg
Another .50BMG (forgot manufacturer) note 5 rnd bag on side.
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/usaf_groundrat/50onAR.jpg
The rifle pictured at the top is the FS-2000 in .223. That thing is a tack driver. I was in a IDPA Rifle match and shot steel at 200 yards with a reflex site and pulled some of the fastest times.
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/usaf_groundrat/FN_1-1.jpg
Probably my favorite is the H & K SR-9. I will have to dig that picture up. But you can shoot a nat in the ass at 300yards with that one. I absolutely love that rifle.
Found the pic:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/usaf_groundrat/Forum/SR-9.jpg

[Cruiser]

You have some very nice examples! I've been puttin together my x-mas list already..

[csims723]

I personally have been drooling over the Remington Model 700 VSF in a .308. I want one so bed its not funny. I spoke with a friend of mine with the Remington Police issue Counter Sniper rifle and he reccomended this rifle to me. Its the same rifle as the Police Issue with over half the cost. The only diffrence is the trigger group. Which can be changed easy enough. I am looking at a Leupold or Lightforce scope and Harris bipods. I personaly shot bench rest 50 and bench rest 100 with my Ruger Target edition that has been smithed to the max. I figured it was a easy intro to target without spending crazy amounts on a custom german 22lr. Any one have the 700 VSF or have any experience with this rifle that could give my you opinion on it. I really want to get one for 800 to 1000 yd target. I have the benifit of living 45 miles from Fort Benning home of the Army's long range sniper school and the best gunsmiths. So I have the acess to the long range. Any one with an opinion??? Chris

[Leave Town]

I have one. Mine has the Mil Spec 5R SS bull barrel. It's a .40 MOA gun. I have a 16X Loopy M1 on it. She's definitely a shooter.... I'd get one in a heartbeat. Good luck.:yup:

[DavidEllzey]

My 2 cents is to look into a 8mm Remington Magnum. Its relatively inexpensive (last I looked) and great ballistics for long range and/or big knockdown power.

Dave

[mattzav]

I would have to say a 7mm just enough for most north american game, and not to powerfull for deer

[DavidEllzey]

I would have to say a 7mm just enough for most north american game, and not to powerfull for deer

True excepting Alaska. When I had the 8mm Rem Mag I loved it so much that I custom loaded rounds for the lower 48 game. If I remember right, I was even able to get saboted rounds for deer hunting, talk about a flat trajectory for the 1st 200 yards!

Dave

[5110]

Here is what I bought, I was in the market for something similar to what you want. So I bought a Cooper pheonix 6.5x284, it is accurate to 1000m or better plus still has knock down power at that range AND you are getting a super accurate rifle with Cooper, you can't find another rifle in the price range that can come close in accuracy. I bought one new for 1400. Only bad thing is it's a single shot

[yetibear]

:rotflmao2::rotflmao2:Cooper Arms just fired Cooper the founder.:rotflmao2::rotflmao2:

[AK4Dave]

My 2 cents is to look into a 8mm Remington Magnum. Its relatively inexpensive (last I looked) and great ballistics for long range and/or big knockdown power.

Dave

Not to hijack this thread but....

I was VERY surprised you mentioning the 8mmMag. Hardly ever hear anyone speak of one. I've had, (beat up) mine in Alaska now for 23 years. I load 200grn Nozler Partitions in it. Love it, and can pretty much hold dead on and shoot an animal up to 400 yds. I've guided, and shot nearly all Alaskan game with it, from Sitka Blacktail to Brown bear, as well as elk in CO.
It's been a true and reliable friend to me for a long time now. Only problem is the factory rounds are getting harder and harder to find now for somebody that doesn't reload. It just didn't make a big hit like the 338 WinMag, and the 340 Weatherby Mag....which it's right in the ballpark with. I've only known a couple other guys that own one. One old timer said he killed a moose at over 600 yards with his. Pretty cool...:thumbsup:

[DavidEllzey]

Not to hijack this thread but....

I was VERY surprised you mentioning the 8mmMag. Hardly ever hear anyone speak of one. I've had, (beat up) mine in Alaska now for 23 years. I load 200grn Nozler Partitions in it. Love it, and can pretty much hold dead on and shoot an animal up to 400 yds. I've guided, and shot nearly all Alaskan game with it, from Sitka Blacktail to Brown bear, as well as elk in CO.
It's been a true and reliable friend to me for a long time now. Only problem is the factory rounds are getting harder and harder to find now for somebody that doesn't reload. It just didn't make a big hit like the 338 WinMag, and the 340 Weatherby Mag....which it's right in the ballpark with. I've only known a couple other guys that own one. One old timer said he killed a moose at over 600 yards with his. Pretty cool...:thumbsup:

Well, we are talking about long range rifles so I don't think its a hijack. I hate to tell you what you already know, brother but you going to need to start reloading to keep that rifle in action. Besides, factory loads never saw the potential that we got out of reloads. I was able to get a great 400yd big game rifle with a relatively soft recoil, a 220g bullet if I remember correctly. I do remember putting 50 rounds down range one day without waking up crying the next day.

(I would have liked to have seen that moose shot, did he drop it or did he get to walk a bit further than the 600yds to get to it?)

Dave

[ChrisW]

Well, I routinely shoot expert at 500 yards with a 5.56 and iron sights. :rollingeyes:
Seriously though, the REAL fun comes with shooting 12" plates at +600 yards with a .338 Lapua magnum.:yup:

[AK4Dave]

Well, we are talking about long range rifles so I don't think its a hijack. I hate to tell you what you already know, brother but you going to need to start reloading to keep that rifle in action. Besides, factory loads never saw the potential that we got out of reloads. I was able to get a great 400yd big game rifle with a relatively soft recoil, a 220g bullet if I remember correctly. I do remember putting 50 rounds down range one day without waking up crying the next day.

(I would have liked to have seen that moose shot, did he drop it or did he get to walk a bit further than the 600yds to get to it?)

Dave

Actually mine used to kick the shit out of me. Not extremely terrible, but enough that I ended up having a custom muzzle break put on it.....tamed it down quite a bit. Before the break, the bolt actually drew blood on my hand a couple times. I also did some trigger work to it which made it super nice. I kept the original Rem wood stock, but glass bedded it. Other than being a bit beat up, she's a pretty sweet shooter now.

Yes, I've had a box of 250 gn. Barnes....not X bullets, these are lead tipped. I've been wanting to load up too. Mainly just for bear.
The factory 220gn were really good performers. More than a few times on moose I've killed, I've found the slug just inside the skin opposite the entry. That's how I wish all of them performed.

As far as the moose........well, it's very hard to put down a moose where it stands. I've blown out their hearts and still had them run a few yards before dropping. Unless you put one behind the ear or spine them they usually never just drop. If I recall about that moose at 600yds, he didn't travel far before going down. I too would have liked to see that, but I trused the old boy's story.
Good shooting...!!!

[csims723]

Has anyone shot the new Remington Model 700 XCR Tactical Long Range in a .308? I found it and have decided on it instead of the VSF. It has the new trigger group. Any one got one that will give me your input? Thanks Chris

[cyberbrain]

you know, I was just reading this thread and now kinda feel cheap. I am using a ole 1947 Russian M44. 7.62x54r. its good for about 1k yards, depending on the scope. far enough for me. Granted its nothing compared to these higher end rifles, but then again I only paid 85 for it.

[Ben]

you know, I was just reading this thread and now kinda feel cheap. I am using a ole 1947 Russian M44. 7.62x54r. its good for about 1k yards, depending on the scope. far enough for me. Granted its nothing compared to these higher end rifles, but then again I only paid 85 for it.

yep 550$ for my m1 and can hit paper at 700 yds. Iron sights of course. One of the best weapons ever made in my opinion.

[Seryoga]

you know, I was just reading this thread and now kinda feel cheap. I am using a ole 1947 Russian M44. 7.62x54r. its good for about 1k yards, depending on the scope. far enough for me. Granted its nothing compared to these higher end rifles, but then again I only paid 85 for it.

CHEAP??? Who cares man, i got 1943 Mosin 91/30 (full size) rifle, i paid $48 for it, and i'm keeping that thing forever. It doesn't have the cool chrome lined barrel, so it gets rusty if you don't clean it often, but its dead on target. Plus you can use it as a hammer, pry bar, baton, ets, and it will not damage it :rotflmao2:

I don't know about 1000 yards, but its definitely good to go at 500, lets just put it this way, if you can see it with your eye, it will get it :rotflmao1:

[cyberbrain]

I have seen the 91/30 hit at 850yrds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKO3IJ4cdqI

[Seryoga]

I have seen the 91/30 hit at 800 5 for 5.

Damn, thats nice. I'm guessing you have the scope on that thing, cause i don't have none on mine. lol

[cyberbrain]

no, I am open sited. but it will have a scope soon enough.

[Ben]

CHEAP??? Who cares man, i got 1943 Mosin 91/30 (full size) rifle, i paid $48 for it, and i'm keeping that thing forever. It doesn't have the cool chrome lined barrel, so it gets rusty if you don't clean it often, but its dead on target. Plus you can use it as a hammer, pry bar, baton, ets, and it will not damage it :rotflmao2:

I don't know about 1000 yards, but its definitely good to go at 500, lets just put it this way, if you can see it with your eye, it will get it :rotflmao1:

hell yeah man! me and my buddy maverick on these forums are big fans of yours because of your wheeling vids and the type of wheeling you do, but you just went up another notch! Maverick also has a mosin nagant he bought for under 50. His is the short carbine barrel, and really we can't hit anything with it, but it is a blast to shoot cuz it kicks like a mule and shoots fire out of the end of the barrel about a foot and a half long. I will pm him to post some pics here.

[Kachad]

Damn, thats nice.

x2 Dang that's Niiiice!