1911 45..??

[Cruiser]

How many here have or have had a 1911 45? I've seen these in $ range from affordable to time to hock the family car. I have always wanted one, have shot several years ago and I really like the way the work. feels good, a little heavy,, unless you compare it to a 44 mag revolver or a Taurus 454 revolver. They have great take down power and are very proficient in the right hands..
So multi sided question, do you own one(or more), do you carry this(or something lighter) and why do some people hate this gun so much? I was talking to a buddy about getting one and the way he responded you would have thought I said I was getting a Barbi edition jeep.. I know LEO who carry some very nice weapons but at home the backup is a GI .45?? So why or why not..

[Kastiron]

How many here have or have had a 1911 45? I've seen these in $ range from affordable to time to hock the family car. I have always wanted one, have shot several years ago and I really like the way the work. feels good, a little heavy,, unless you compare it to a 44 mag revolver or a Taurus 454 revolver. They have great take down power and are very proficient in the right hands..
So multi sided question, do you own one(or more), do you carry this(or something lighter) and why do some people hate this gun so much? I was talking to a buddy about getting one and the way he responded you would have thought I said I was getting a Barbi edition jeep.. I know LEO who carry some very nice weapons but at home the backup is a GI .45?? So why or why not..

I have owned several. Sold all but one. Carry a revolver that is MUCH lighter.

People hate it because they picked the other side of a religious gun war...

Not a bad gun for a design almost 100 years old.

[yetibear]

What did you do, Cruiser, decide today I'm gonna keep that old fart Vermont hermit up all night talking about :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:THE .45? I'll start by saying I am a strident fan of the M1911 in general and the .45acp round to be specific.:thumbsup:

I need to tend to the dog's needs for a bit and do a couple of other little things, then I will come back and bore you to tears talking about the .45.:ya::clap::clap:

[Kastiron]

This could get interesting.

Dust off the JMB idols, folks.


Going to go the the reloading room for a while, will check back in a bit.

[yetibear]

This could get interesting.

Dust off the JMB idols, folks.


Going to go the the reloading room for a while, will check back in a bit.
:rotflmao2::rotflmao2::rotflmao2:
No John Moses idols here, the Hi Power knocked him off of the god platform. I worship at the feet of John Dean 'Jeff ' Cooper LTC. USMC Retired.:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

:rotflmao2::rotflmao2:

[GreytSilly]

I shoot a Kimber steel frame .45 and I love it. I have a good friend with the 4 inch barrel aluminum frame Kimber and I must say that is a sweet gun to shoot too. If weight is the issue, there are lots of alloy frame 1911's out there. The new alloys are quite strong and I doubt you will ever wear one out unless you shoot tens of thousands of rounds yearly. I love my 1911, my dream gun now is the 3 inch barrel Kimber Ultra Carry. Ah, one day my ship will come in.;) If the 1911 is good enough for LA Swat and LA SIS, I guess it must be a reliable proven product.

[Kastiron]

:rotflmao2::rotflmao2::rotflmao2:
No John Moses idols here, the Hi Power knocked him off of the god platform. I worship at the feet of John Dean 'Jeff ' Cooper LTC. USMC Retired.:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

:rotflmao2::rotflmao2:


:cheers: You Sir, have earned my respect with that.

Flying ashtrays all around!

[Geeper4x4]

I shoot and carry a Kimber .45 also. It has a nice trigger and shoots very well. I also carry a Glock depending on how I am dressing and were I am going. I practice quite a bit with my guns and I have had training with firearms. I think you will like a 1911 if you practice using it and get good instruction from someone that knows the weapon and it's capabilities. A Kimber Custom should only set you back in the $600 range and is a very capable weapon. If you decide you want more bells and whistles you can spend a lot of money on high end 1911's but starting out you should just get good with a basic but quality 1911 and go practice and practice.

[RedRockJk4x4]

I have a Rock Island Armory 1911 and love it. It is a cheap entry level 1911 so I figured it would be a good one to start with. After a custum trigger and some new grips I love it. It is a little hard to conceal. I usually only carry it when im wearing a leather jacket, otherwise I carry a 38 special revolver in an ankle holster.

[mmcan]

I love my Sig P220 Stainless.

Shoots great
Fits my hand well
Stainless absorbs good amount of the kick

But not an easy carry gun

[meljr]

My Dad had one of those. In addtion to the .45, he had some kind of 22 coversion kit for it. This was Army issue to officers in the 1960s and probably well before. The last I heard, he still has it and I don't know if it has ever been fired.

[Fearney]

The M1911 is a great pistol, no great pistol would be used so much and have been around so long. I went with a cheaper pistol that I love. It's a Ruger P90, also .45ACP. However, I have heard that if you have big hands then the Hogue grips are a little small. I have smaller hands and it's a perfect fit. This is the limited edition I purchased a couple of years back. The standard has standard grips. Also, I saw a 40 round mag for it, it's round and looks like a Tommy Gun clip. That thing must weight a ton!

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2478/p90thzi1.jpg

[Cruiser]

I was sitting out at a Dual sport bike rally and the subject of handguns came up. I made a comment that I really wanted a simple 1911a1 very plain for home defense and carry on occasion. The guys I was sitting with all were pro 9mm folks,, bent on the glock and hk.. kept telling me how inaccurate the 1911 is bla bla bla,, I used to work for a guy who competed with a highly modded 1911 and only carried that or his desert eagle 44 mag. He was an odd fellow,, would go on bear hunts up in the nw with handguns..
I saw a SA 1911a1 G.I. w flat non reflective finish for $399. used but still looked brand new. I should have bought it.. Hopefully I'll get one in a couple weeks.

[Ivanko]

I was sitting out at a Dual sport bike rally and the subject of handguns came up. I made a comment that I really wanted a simple 1911a1 very plain for home defense and carry on occasion. The guys I was sitting with all were pro 9mm folks,, bent on the glock and hk.. kept telling me how inaccurate the 1911 is bla bla bla,, I used to work for a guy who competed with a highly modded 1911 and only carried that or his desert eagle 44 mag. He was an odd fellow,, would go on bear hunts up in the nw with handguns..
I saw a SA 1911a1 G.I. w flat non reflective finish for $399. used but still looked brand new. I should have bought it.. Hopefully I'll get one in a couple weeks.

I was a plastic gun guy until I saw the benefits of the 1911. I still own my Glock 26, but my favorite is my 1911, which I keep in the jeep or on my person.

Mine is a Colt that was built in 1917 that has had a TON of custom work done through the years (not by me), and it's the most accurate gun I own. For someone to say that a 1911 is inaccurate is well, inaccurate. Maybe the short trigger on the 1911 threw off the folks you were talking to :)

Here is a good read:

http://sargesrollcall.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html

Try to rent one at a range or shoot a friends so you can really feel the difference. In the end, if you don't like it, you don't like it, and there's nothing wrong with that. Guns are a personal choice, and there are lots to choose from, so you can be picky if you want.

[Kiernan]

I hit the range a lot with some friends and one has a S&W 1911 custom. Last time at the range my wife shot 2 rounds with it and said she was done and never wanted to shoot it again.

I have a Sig P220R Carry that she shoots all the time. Both are .45...so you can see which I prefer.

My buddies S&W is just as accurate as my 220, and both ran about the same price.

I just think there are plenty of better options out there than the 1911. My $.02.

[mmcan]

I hit the range a lot with some friends and one has a S&W 1911 custom. Last time at the range my wife shot 2 rounds with it and said she was done and never wanted to shoot it again.

I have a Sig P220R Carry that she shoots all the time. Both are .45...so you can see which I prefer.

My buddies S&W is just as accurate as my 220, and both ran about the same price.

I just think there are plenty of better options out there than the 1911. My $.02.

Do you find that the "Carry" is truly a comfortable carry weapon? If yes, how do you carry it on your person (inside belt? shoulder holster? pocket of jacket/pants?..) or do you generally keep it in your Jeep/vehicle?

Thanks, I have been considering this pistol, but don't find that it is that much lighter/smaller than my P220 in any practical fashion.

[armycop]

Even though gun technology has changed a lot since the 1911 was developed in 1890, I still prefer my 1911 to the modern guns. I have a S&W Sigma .40 and it is high tech polymer and very concealable, but I still like shooting the 1911. It is kind of like the icon of pistols, it served our country from 1911 (hence the name) until 1985. It is a true classic like the Jeeps we drive.

http://my.project-jk.com/data/500/Pistol_1911.JPG

[csorensen]

I don't own a .45 myself, however I shoot with a buddy who has had 3 of them in various types. A Springfield 1911, a Kimber 1911, and the new HK 45. I must say, that the HK 45 is one of the nicest .45s I've ever fired. My handgun purchase will be the .45, most likely the HK.

I also remember hearing about those .22 conversion kits that the military had for the .45, I believe it was called a "hush puppy" by the special forces guys wasn't it? A silenced .22 that was used to take out sentry animals, etc...

[rcwade]

I have two .45's both are excellent in what they do.
My carry gun is a .45acp Springfield XD45. By far the best 45 I've ever shot (including kimbers) it's accurate and knowing I've got a double stack of 13+1 rounds to handle anything I need is a great feeling. It fits in the small of my back and with a shirt untucked you can't tell it's there. The 1911 like the ar15 (m16), AK47 and other guns are Icons. There is a HUGE aftermarket for them, and basically like jeeps as you have found you can spend as much money as you want on them. I've seen Kimbers at Pawn Shops for $300 and crap at dealers for $1400. With a pistol you probably don't want to be shooting more then 20yards to have any accuracy. Most gun fights are going to be quick and abruptly so what ever you do decide to use be sure you become proficient in using it, and that you have accepted before you carry that today you may have to end someone's life. You don't have time to think about it when things happen. I have been in 2 convience stores that were robbed and another where an angry fellow came in the store with a gun because the attendant told him it was a pre-pay pump only. Both times I felt helpless and could do nothing. Fortunatly everyone made it out safe, but I vowed never to be helpless again. Now I carry regularly (except when I'm going to work, I'm a school)there is no contemplating about pulling the trigger.

[mcds99]

The military used the 1911 for decades, why?

It's a close range stopper if you hit what you aim at it goes down.

I had one for several years but sold it for some stupid reason, women.

I don't carry and I don't plan to but if I had to it would be a 1911 S&W.

[Kiernan]

Do you find that the "Carry" is truly a comfortable carry weapon? If yes, how do you carry it on your person (inside belt? shoulder holster? pocket of jacket/pants?..) or do you generally keep it in your Jeep/vehicle?

Thanks, I have been considering this pistol, but don't find that it is that much lighter/smaller than my P220 in any practical fashion.

The only difference between the Carry and the non is the barrel length is about 3/4" or so shorter. The frame size, thickness, etc. is exactly the same. When comparing the 220 to my 229 9mm the 220 is about a mm or so thicker...length and height are almost identical.

I don't carry on my person...I carry in a backpack for when I'm wheeling/hiking and such. I highly doubt it would be a very comfortable concealed carry gun.

[Cruiser]

When I do plan to carry it will most likely be hiking in very rural areas. I rarely go places that I find the need to carry but have felt the need before. I plan on getting an old school shoulder holster. We have more issues in my area with home invasions and convient stores getting hit than other crime..
Thanks,,
Steve

[EmbarkChief]

When you consider a carry piece keep in mind that weight and thickness are the two greatest things to consider in regards to comfort and concealability. I carry a commander length (4.25") 1911 on an everyday basis with no problems. Texas heat and all.

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And Hi-Powers are crap? I guess the whole "double stack" magazine thing never caught on after they came out:rotflmao1: . One of the best 9mm's out there gents. Interesting note: the HP saw service on BOTH sides of WWII, and is still on active duty today with the British military in Iraq amoung other places.

[yetibear]

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And Hi-Powers are crap? I guess the whole "double stack" magazine thing never caught on after they came out:rotflmao1: . One of the best 9mm's out there gents. Interesting note: the HP saw service on BOTH sides of WWII, and is still on active duty today with the British military in Iraq amoung other places.

Very nice, Ed Brown huh.

NO ONE said the Hi Power was crap. If you go back and read what we were saying, it was more if a feeling each other out with jokes test. The actual joke was in caliber choices, it was not a ding at the HP or JMB. As a side note, did you know Browning died before the design work on the HP was completed?

And both sides sang Lilly Marlene:ya:, don't know what that has to do with the price of tea in China:dontknow2:, but it is interesting it was such a big hit with both during the war. Hmmmm, the HP and Lilly Marlene, coincidence? I think not!:rotflmao2::rotflmao2:

[Geeper4x4]

I don't own a .45 myself, however I shoot with a buddy who has had 3 of them in various types. A Springfield 1911, a Kimber 1911, and the new HK 45. I must say, that the HK 45 is one of the nicest .45s I've ever fired. My handgun purchase will be the .45, most likely the HK.

I also remember hearing about those .22 conversion kits that the military had for the .45, I believe it was called a "hush puppy" by the special forces guys wasn't it? A silenced .22 that was used to take out sentry animals, etc...

More than you wanted to know but: It was not Army it was Navy SEAL teams: tunnalrat says this about it: no link with xx's make it http and it will link

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During the Vietnam conflict, the US navy sponsored development of the silenced pistol for use by its SEAL teams. Nicknamed the hush-puppy because of its intended function of killing enemy watch dogs, this modified version of the steel framed Smith & Wesson model 39 pistol was put to other clandestine used as well. Called the mark 22, mod. O pistol by the navy, the hush puppy had a slide lock to keep the mechanism closed and silent while firing. It fired a special green tipped 9mm parabellum projectile weighting 10.2 grams (158 grains that yielded a muzzle velocity of 274m.p.s. (900 f.p.s), below the speed of sound. Use of standard supersonic ammunition quickly degrades the effectiveness of the silencer insert. With subsonic ammunition, an insert is good for about 30 rounds; with standard velocity cartridges the insert may have to be replaced after six shots. Official navy designation for the silencer is mark 3, mod.0 . Ammunition and replacement silencer parts are supplied as accessory kit MK26, Mod.0. Each accessory kit includes 24 9mm pistol cartridges MK144, mod.0 and one silencer tube insert.
All the work on the model 39 hush-puppy was carried out by Smith & Wesson before the end of 1968. Subsequently, Smith & Wesson provided two prototype 13-shot pistols made from stainless steel. These weapons were improved to overcome problems such as extractor breakages, which had been experwnced with the model 39. This modified pistol in a slightly different form as later commercially marketed as the model 59 Smith & Wesson 9mm parabellum pistol.


Combination over all length 12 ¾ inch
Total weight with out magazine 34 oz

WOX-1A silencer
Over all length 5”
Total weight 8oz

WOX-13A pmm pistol
Over all length 8 ½”
Total weight with out magazine 26 oz

WOX-13A pmm pistol and WOX-1A silencer
Combination over all length 12 ¾ inch
Total weight with out magazine 34 oz


Form:
Small arms of the world
Page 175 –177
By Edward Clinton Ezell
Publisher: Stackpole Books; 12th Rev edition (December 1983)
ISBN: 0811716872

[TINMAN080]

I've got a Ruger P90, shoots like a dream, puts ANYTHING thru it, won't skip a beat. Too big to hide effectively. Also have 3 Llamas (hahaha I 've heard) that I have had excellent luck with. A IXA Duo-Tone that will pump ball ammo like a tommy gun, a Colt clip interchanges. A commander sized 1911 Llama, also excellent shooter with ball, Colt clip works great also. The third is a Llama mini max 10 rd doublestack. Great shooter, throw it in your pocket and it will put your pants at your ankles in about 10 seconds.... VERY heavy! LOL These are NOT status guns but they will send you to glory just as fast.....:ya:

[AK4Dave]

I sold my 44 a few years back. I've been wanting to replace it with something for bear protection in the tent while moose hunting. I've been thinking about the 45.
At point blank range I would think it would be fine against a brown bear if he decided he wanted to sleep in my tent with me.......wouldn't you?
I remember when the 45 Grizzly came out. The guy that bought it said it had more knock down power than my 44......is true????
Thanks.....

[rcwade]

also your carry gun is going to get scratched, bumped, dirty and everything else. So don't get something you want to keep pretty!

[Cruiser]

Stopped by a local outfitter store today with the wife lookin at clothes and stuff.. Well,, they had a very nice gun counter with the most 45's I've seen in one place.. The wife kept trying to get me outta there.. They had at least 15 Kimbers, 6-7 colts, 10 SA's and lots of others,, oh,, and a real nice "double eagle" colt in a special box,, $1600.. They had a real clean kimber used for $450,,, Asked the counter guy why so many 45's,, He said its getting real popular in our area due to the recent aggressive Bears and the home invasions.. He even carried one at the shop.. I'd say 1/2 the handguns were .40 and .45's only a handfull of 9's
Now an odd thing,, they did not allow cell phones to be used in the gun counter area? is that common?

[07JKX]

How many here have or have had a 1911 45? I've seen these in $ range from affordable to time to hock the family car. I have always wanted one, have shot several years ago and I really like the way the work. feels good, a little heavy,, unless you compare it to a 44 mag revolver or a Taurus 454 revolver. They have great take down power and are very proficient in the right hands..
So multi sided question, do you own one(or more), do you carry this(or something lighter) and why do some people hate this gun so much? I was talking to a buddy about getting one and the way he responded you would have thought I said I was getting a Barbi edition jeep.. I know LEO who carry some very nice weapons but at home the backup is a GI .45?? So why or why not..

Rock Island Armory makes a great version... very affordable and reliable... they are out of business but the 1911 usually float around gun shops and gun shows

Springfield Armory also make their original GI version which i have seen as low a 375 at shows brand new

[Ivanko]

I sold my 44 a few years back. I've been wanting to replace it with something for bear protection in the tent while moose hunting. I've been thinking about the 45.
At point blank range I would think it would be fine against a brown bear if he decided he wanted to sleep in my tent with me.......wouldn't you?
I remember when the 45 Grizzly came out. The guy that bought it said it had more knock down power than my 44......is true????
Thanks.....

From reading other gun forums, apparently the 10mm is the handgun of choice amongst Alaskan tour guides. With one of the heavy loads from doubletap, I'm pretty sure that would work VERY well.

[AK4Dave]

Hmmmmmm......the 10mm. Hadn't even though of that, and didn't know the tour guides used them. I'll have to check that out.
Thanks much......

[J.C. Keller]

I looked at getting a 1911.
I thought it would be a good fit to my 6'2" 220+lb. large frame.
But I just didn't like the feel of it. The grip seemed really wide.
And the safety seemed to me like if you didn't get a real good handhold it wouldn't engage.
I ended up buying a Glock 26 9mm, and I love it.
It has the grip extender and though doesn't fit my hand perfectly it is O.K.
And alot easier to carry concealed.

[rednblack500]

I've carried a Colt 1991A1 .45 for 9 years now (though I switch to my Kel-Tec P3AT every now and then). Still one of the most accurate pistols I have shot. I replaced the trigger with a Videcki, added a Dwyer Group Gripper, a Hogue grip, extended slide stop, extended safety and did some very minor polishing of the internals and it's my favorite pistol.

With and Inside-the-Waistband (ITW), I am able to easily and quickly draw and aim. I've carried on my hip for hours at a time and you really don't even notice it's there after a few minutes.

Downside for some - is that the Colt only has an 8 + 1 capacity. But that's what practice and extra mags are for!

[Sgt P]

Here's my 1911:
http://my.project-jk.com/data/500/1911left.jpg

I love the accessories possibilities! 1911's can't be beat. It's my favorite shooter, but I carry a Walther PPKs.

I like metal!