Suspension and ride quality - not another lift thread
05-18-2016, 08:02 AM
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RK
05-18-2016, 08:41 AM
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JK Junkie
Yes RK knows what he's talking about. Perfect examples. I wish I could afford the King or Fox Triple bypass shocks. I would have to sell a kidney for what they want for them. You can make a Jeep go fast but it will never be in the same league as a Ford SVT Raptor we just aren't built for that.
05-18-2016, 08:51 AM
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Coils spring tunes or specs are unique to each manufacturer's design intent. Just remember that when selecting coils.
RK
05-18-2016, 01:48 PM
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Yes they were the older coils. A true dual rate coil would have two different sections that are rated for different loads and both should be available in normal use. It just has to do with the number of windings and the thickness of the coil steel. A fully compressed section at ride height that allows for extra droop is a tender coil, not really a dual rate. What RK calls a triple rate is actually a dual rate (usable) with a tender on top.
05-18-2016, 06:13 PM
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JK Junkie
Yes RK knows what he's talking about. Perfect examples. I wish I could afford the King or Fox Triple bypass shocks. I would have to sell a kidney for what they want for them. You can make a Jeep go fast but it will never be in the same league as a Ford SVT Raptor we just aren't built for that.
Take a look at the right builds and watch some videos of jeeps going fast and you'll see that the Wrangler can easily outperform the Raptor. It's all about the suspension setup and power to push it.
05-18-2016, 07:40 PM
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RK's website is difficult to determine the purpose and difference between kits.
2.5 Stock Mod System, overland, max travel, flex system, x-factor - all Multi Rate Coil Springs,
overland vs flex for example? Overland has some rear links and front brakelines? Flex doesn't?
Originally I wasn't even thinking of lift, I'm not trying to run bigger tires as my 3.8/trans combo is anemic now with 32's. But there are zero multi or triple rate coils without increasing height. Shocks and bumpstops - easy peasy. Coils, not so much. Still a bit confused - Dirtman saying RK not truely triple rate, RK saying AEV is more overland tuned, RK website using muti-rate/triple rate interchangeably and I don't fully see the benefits of having 5 different 2.5" kits - one adjusts only caster, the other pinion and caster, makes it confusing to know what is actually required to make it ride well.
05-19-2016, 01:14 AM
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JK Junkie
I love our RK 3.5 Triple rate coils, they ride noticeably better than their previous version.
OP, If you're not looking for very much lift RK has a 1.5" coil that would yield a better rate than your current coil, with minimal lift. When paired with a better shock absorber, you can achieve a much better ride for the trails you're traveling.
OP, If you're not looking for very much lift RK has a 1.5" coil that would yield a better rate than your current coil, with minimal lift. When paired with a better shock absorber, you can achieve a much better ride for the trails you're traveling.
05-19-2016, 01:56 AM
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I really dont know whats what when talking about coil springs. RK calls theirs triple rate (Ride, Firmer, dead zone). MC calls theirs dual rate (Ride, dead zone)
On road with RK's only 2 rates are used, MC on road a single rate. So if one is going to call RK's a dual rate MC's would be linear.
The question is, is the dead zone or tender like
dirt said considered a rate even though its not used or inactive.
On road with RK's only 2 rates are used, MC on road a single rate. So if one is going to call RK's a dual rate MC's would be linear.
The question is, is the dead zone or tender like
dirt said considered a rate even though its not used or inactive.
05-19-2016, 06:11 AM
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JK Jedi
When you are looking at these coils that use a dead zone on top (tender) They are made for long travel and have nothing to do with ride quality. If you don't run a long travel shock the "dead zone" type coils are not a benefit.
Just to be clear, you are going to need other stuff like tuned shocks and air bumps to drive like a pre runner with plenty of up travel.
Just to be clear, you are going to need other stuff like tuned shocks and air bumps to drive like a pre runner with plenty of up travel.
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05-19-2016, 06:30 AM
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When you are looking at these coils that use a dead zone on top (tender) They are made for long travel and have nothing to do with ride quality. If you don't run a long travel shock the "dead zone" type coils are of on benefit.
Just to be clear you are going to need other stuff like tuned shocks and air bumps to drive like a pre runner with plenty of up travel.
Just to be clear you are going to need other stuff like tuned shocks and air bumps to drive like a pre runner with plenty of up travel.
To also add to Dairyman's comment on long travel with dead zone coils, that is not long travel like long travel IFS. The dead zone only comes into play with a lot of droop in the suspension system as all the standard travel in the coil is unloaded.
To "go fast" you will need a good amount of well controlled up travel. Low COG setups are not the ticket for going fast....
Hope that helps. There is a lot of good information in this thread...
RK