WTOR Hydro Install Help
01-07-2017, 03:20 PM
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WTOR Hydro Install Help
I have everything in place and adjusted. I have not added fluid yet because the 2 WTOR lines from the gearbox that have 90* fittings built in seem to be able to be loosened by hand no matter how much I tighten them. They just don't seem to completely tighten... If I turn the metal portion of the line coutner clockwise by hand the bolt portion will loosen!
Also Im not 100% confident which line goes to the fixed side of the ram. I currently have the top line going to the driver side and the side port line to the passenger side as the lines are the same length and that would give each line the same amount of slack with the fixed side of the ram mounted to the track bar bracket.
Also Im not 100% confident which line goes to the fixed side of the ram. I currently have the top line going to the driver side and the side port line to the passenger side as the lines are the same length and that would give each line the same amount of slack with the fixed side of the ram mounted to the track bar bracket.
01-07-2017, 04:04 PM
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I don't know about the fitting. What does it look like? Is it the correct flare? For the cylinder I'd suggest unhooking the rod and turning the steering wheel to make sure it moves the right way before you connect it.
01-07-2017, 05:52 PM
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I had it hooked up backwards, I switched the hoses at the pump in an effort to not loose a ton of fluid and make a mess. I just tightened the hoses as much as possible rotating the hose the last few inches with the fitting.
My Next question is from lock to lock the ram stops a little short of the steering stops (1/3) of a steering wheel rotation. This limits my turning radius, can i get that steering travel back without a new ram?
My Next question is from lock to lock the ram stops a little short of the steering stops (1/3) of a steering wheel rotation. This limits my turning radius, can i get that steering travel back without a new ram?
01-07-2017, 08:09 PM
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To increase the turning swing you have to have a longer ram. What is limiting the ram's length right now? Mine was too long, I had to build an adjustable stopper that limited about the last 3/4" of travel, not sure what length they're shipping these days.
Keep in mind you want the ram to bottom out before you hit steering stops. This is really important because the ram is rated to act as a limit stopper for itself, but if the steering stops become the limit it'll wreck your ball joints pretty quickly.
Regarding direction, sounds like you got it figured out but it does say in the instructions which way to hook it up. Keep in mind that with the ram not bolted to anything and with the engine off, the ram will go opposite of what you'd expect when you turn the wheel. When the engine is on, it then goes the correct way.
As for the 90* fittings seeming loose, I also was very concerned. I've been running it for probably over a year now and haven't had any issues. Unless there's tension on a hose that's trying to unscrew it, it should not loosen even though it's easy to loosen with your hand. If you're really worried about it, you can get swivel fittings.
Highly recommend thoroughly reviewing hose routing both now, and after a month goes by, to make sure the hoses aren't being abraded by anything (and make sure they're not abrading some other hose!). My initial routing was cutting open a hydro hose on a bracket, and a hydro hose was wearing through a coolant hose. I caught this early enough to re-route the hoses such that they are no longer hurting anything. Another one I found is an AC hose was getting cut up by one of the new fittings on top of the gear box.
Keep in mind you want the ram to bottom out before you hit steering stops. This is really important because the ram is rated to act as a limit stopper for itself, but if the steering stops become the limit it'll wreck your ball joints pretty quickly.
Regarding direction, sounds like you got it figured out but it does say in the instructions which way to hook it up. Keep in mind that with the ram not bolted to anything and with the engine off, the ram will go opposite of what you'd expect when you turn the wheel. When the engine is on, it then goes the correct way.
As for the 90* fittings seeming loose, I also was very concerned. I've been running it for probably over a year now and haven't had any issues. Unless there's tension on a hose that's trying to unscrew it, it should not loosen even though it's easy to loosen with your hand. If you're really worried about it, you can get swivel fittings.
Highly recommend thoroughly reviewing hose routing both now, and after a month goes by, to make sure the hoses aren't being abraded by anything (and make sure they're not abrading some other hose!). My initial routing was cutting open a hydro hose on a bracket, and a hydro hose was wearing through a coolant hose. I caught this early enough to re-route the hoses such that they are no longer hurting anything. Another one I found is an AC hose was getting cut up by one of the new fittings on top of the gear box.
01-08-2017, 04:15 AM
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To increase the turning swing you have to have a longer ram. What is limiting the ram's length right now? Mine was too long, I had to build an adjustable stopper that limited about the last 3/4" of travel, not sure what length they're shipping these days.
Keep in mind you want the ram to bottom out before you hit steering stops. This is really important because the ram is rated to act as a limit stopper for itself, but if the steering stops become the limit it'll wreck your ball joints pretty quickly.
Regarding direction, sounds like you got it figured out but it does say in the instructions which way to hook it up. Keep in mind that with the ram not bolted to anything and with the engine off, the ram will go opposite of what you'd expect when you turn the wheel. When the engine is on, it then goes the correct way.
As for the 90* fittings seeming loose, I also was very concerned. I've been running it for probably over a year now and haven't had any issues. Unless there's tension on a hose that's trying to unscrew it, it should not loosen even though it's easy to loosen with your hand. If you're really worried about it, you can get swivel fittings.
Highly recommend thoroughly reviewing hose routing both now, and after a month goes by, to make sure the hoses aren't being abraded by anything (and make sure they're not abrading some other hose!). My initial routing was cutting open a hydro hose on a bracket, and a hydro hose was wearing through a coolant hose. I caught this early enough to re-route the hoses such that they are no longer hurting anything. Another one I found is an AC hose was getting cut up by one of the new fittings on top of the gear box.
Keep in mind you want the ram to bottom out before you hit steering stops. This is really important because the ram is rated to act as a limit stopper for itself, but if the steering stops become the limit it'll wreck your ball joints pretty quickly.
Regarding direction, sounds like you got it figured out but it does say in the instructions which way to hook it up. Keep in mind that with the ram not bolted to anything and with the engine off, the ram will go opposite of what you'd expect when you turn the wheel. When the engine is on, it then goes the correct way.
As for the 90* fittings seeming loose, I also was very concerned. I've been running it for probably over a year now and haven't had any issues. Unless there's tension on a hose that's trying to unscrew it, it should not loosen even though it's easy to loosen with your hand. If you're really worried about it, you can get swivel fittings.
Highly recommend thoroughly reviewing hose routing both now, and after a month goes by, to make sure the hoses aren't being abraded by anything (and make sure they're not abrading some other hose!). My initial routing was cutting open a hydro hose on a bracket, and a hydro hose was wearing through a coolant hose. I caught this early enough to re-route the hoses such that they are no longer hurting anything. Another one I found is an AC hose was getting cut up by one of the new fittings on top of the gear box.
01-08-2017, 04:58 AM
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The ideal hydro hose routing is to zip-tie it to the entire length of the track bar (or an upper control arm, but that's in most cases less practical), coming off the axle end to the ram and off the frame end to the gear box. You probably can't achieve this with the WTOR hose lengths but I was able to mostly get it.
When routed in this manner, there is almost zero hose movement through full suspension travel compared to running the hoses straight from the box to the ram, which has huge amounts of hose motion with respect to everything else in the engine bay.
When routed in this manner, there is almost zero hose movement through full suspension travel compared to running the hoses straight from the box to the ram, which has huge amounts of hose motion with respect to everything else in the engine bay.
01-08-2017, 08:18 AM
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To increase the turning swing you have to have a longer ram. What is limiting the ram's length right now? Mine was too long, I had to build an adjustable stopper that limited about the last 3/4" of travel, not sure what length they're shipping these days.
Keep in mind you want the ram to bottom out before you hit steering stops. This is really important because the ram is rated to act as a limit stopper for itself, but if the steering stops become the limit it'll wreck your ball joints pretty quickly.
Regarding direction, sounds like you got it figured out but it does say in the instructions which way to hook it up. Keep in mind that with the ram not bolted to anything and with the engine off, the ram will go opposite of what you'd expect when you turn the wheel. When the engine is on, it then goes the correct way.
As for the 90* fittings seeming loose, I also was very concerned. I've been running it for probably over a year now and haven't had any issues. Unless there's tension on a hose that's trying to unscrew it, it should not loosen even though it's easy to loosen with your hand. If you're really worried about it, you can get swivel fittings.
Highly recommend thoroughly reviewing hose routing both now, and after a month goes by, to make sure the hoses aren't being abraded by anything (and make sure they're not abrading some other hose!). My initial routing was cutting open a hydro hose on a bracket, and a hydro hose was wearing through a coolant hose. I caught this early enough to re-route the hoses such that they are no longer hurting anything. Another one I found is an AC hose was getting cut up by one of the new fittings on top of the gear box.
Keep in mind you want the ram to bottom out before you hit steering stops. This is really important because the ram is rated to act as a limit stopper for itself, but if the steering stops become the limit it'll wreck your ball joints pretty quickly.
Regarding direction, sounds like you got it figured out but it does say in the instructions which way to hook it up. Keep in mind that with the ram not bolted to anything and with the engine off, the ram will go opposite of what you'd expect when you turn the wheel. When the engine is on, it then goes the correct way.
As for the 90* fittings seeming loose, I also was very concerned. I've been running it for probably over a year now and haven't had any issues. Unless there's tension on a hose that's trying to unscrew it, it should not loosen even though it's easy to loosen with your hand. If you're really worried about it, you can get swivel fittings.
Highly recommend thoroughly reviewing hose routing both now, and after a month goes by, to make sure the hoses aren't being abraded by anything (and make sure they're not abrading some other hose!). My initial routing was cutting open a hydro hose on a bracket, and a hydro hose was wearing through a coolant hose. I caught this early enough to re-route the hoses such that they are no longer hurting anything. Another one I found is an AC hose was getting cut up by one of the new fittings on top of the gear box.
I bled the system last night, I think I have all the air out. I was getting a bit of cavitation at first, it was much louder than I thought it would be. After what seemed like a million cycles everything seems smooth, we'll find out today on a quick costco run. Thanks Again!
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01-09-2017, 06:27 AM
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JK Freak
Is your WTOR ram in alignment with your tie rod, or are you coming at the tie rod at an angle? I have the same WTOR Redneck Ram Assist and the ram goes to full extent/compress before the Dynatrac axle goes to full lock in both directions. But If I were to be at an angle, I could see where the ram would quickly be too short.
01-10-2017, 05:52 PM
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I recently had the WTO hydro assist installed, running the 1 1/2" x 6" Ram. Like the setup a lot ,curious what brand power steering fluid you guys are using in your setups ?