Will the JL torpedo the JK ?
03-12-2017, 08:59 AM
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The biggest improvement to the Wrangler won't be all the new technology, but the powertrain options. Nobody knows if the JL is really going to be that much more powerful or have any significant improvement in fuel economy. The only vehicles Jeep have that even get remotely decent gas mileage are all running the 2.4L engine and that isn't gonna work in the Wrangler. Even the GC's diesel doesn't really put out impressive numbers.
The JK had a real rocky start, but now that they've been building them for ten years, they've finally gotten them right. They're not perfect, but certainly more solid. The JK is going to be fine for a while.
FCA will never put out anything remotely as reliable as Toyota.
The JK had a real rocky start, but now that they've been building them for ten years, they've finally gotten them right. They're not perfect, but certainly more solid. The JK is going to be fine for a while.
FCA will never put out anything remotely as reliable as Toyota.
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03-12-2017, 12:50 PM
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03-12-2017, 01:16 PM
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The Wrangler truck, on the other hand, is going to need a serious powertrain. It can't just be a Wrangler with the bed on the back. It needs to have true truck torque and towing capability, something the Wrangler has never had. I'm eager to see what they do (or don't do).
And Jeep hasn't overbuilt anything in over 30 years.
03-12-2017, 01:59 PM
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The biggest improvement to the Wrangler won't be all the new technology, but the powertrain options. Nobody knows if the JL is really going to be that much more powerful or have any significant improvement in fuel economy. The only vehicles Jeep have that even get remotely decent gas mileage are all running the 2.4L engine and that isn't gonna work in the Wrangler. Even the GC's diesel doesn't really put out impressive numbers. The JK had a real rocky start, but now that they've been building them for ten years, they've finally gotten them right. They're not perfect, but certainly more solid. The JK is going to be fine for a while. FCA will never put out anything remotely as reliable as Toyota.
It's so easy for us jeep guys to slap on 35's or 37's with a simple trim and spacer lift. It's no wonder we break things more often and tire out stock components.
03-12-2017, 03:06 PM
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Perhaps that's true but think about this. Most Toyota guys don't run 35's or larger because they can't without some serious chopping and $$ long travel.
It's so easy for us jeep guys to slap on 35's or 37's with a simple trim and spacer lift. It's no wonder we break things more often and tire out stock components.
It's so easy for us jeep guys to slap on 35's or 37's with a simple trim and spacer lift. It's no wonder we break things more often and tire out stock components.
Good point. I see more JK's running 35's with practically stock everything. Most FJ's I see are running 33's. Every now and then I'll see one on 35's but it's pretty modded out compared to most....
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03-12-2017, 04:03 PM
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I'm still on stock BJ's with 53k with my 35's now. Quite a few guys in my club have run their factory 44 shafts for years with breaking them either.
I was bending/ tweaking tie rods on my tacoma and tweaking the steering a lot. And that was with 32's
03-24-2017, 08:16 AM
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If the market gets flooded with JK's from people swapping to JL's, yes, you will see a drastic reduction in JK pricing. Simple supply and demand. Too many variables right now to know if that'll happen or not.
Either way, I would certainly expect a quick blip at first as people are excited to get their hands on the new model and dealers resist having too many of the old model on their lots. Long term I think it will continue to depreciate similar to how the TJ did.
That said, I'm probably going to put a deposit down on a JL though, as I can likely buy it and sell it 6 months later for ~5% less than what I paid. Not sure I can convince myself that I need 3 Jeeps though -- but it'll give me a chance to decide if I want the JL over my 98 Hemi TJ. Tough choice either way. Love the old TJ's, and I'd probably miss the V8 too much.
Either way, I would certainly expect a quick blip at first as people are excited to get their hands on the new model and dealers resist having too many of the old model on their lots. Long term I think it will continue to depreciate similar to how the TJ did.
That said, I'm probably going to put a deposit down on a JL though, as I can likely buy it and sell it 6 months later for ~5% less than what I paid. Not sure I can convince myself that I need 3 Jeeps though -- but it'll give me a chance to decide if I want the JL over my 98 Hemi TJ. Tough choice either way. Love the old TJ's, and I'd probably miss the V8 too much.
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03-24-2017, 10:06 AM
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[QUOTE=guarnibl;4285075]If the market gets flooded with JK's from people swapping to JL's, yes, you will see a drastic reduction in JK pricing. Simple supply and demand./QUOTE]
You could have said the same thing about the TJ when the JKs came out, but look what a used TJ continues to run 10 years after the JK came out. I'd imagine there will be some small hit, but the wrangler is such a classic design that there will always be demand out there.
You could have said the same thing about the TJ when the JKs came out, but look what a used TJ continues to run 10 years after the JK came out. I'd imagine there will be some small hit, but the wrangler is such a classic design that there will always be demand out there.