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BagOfDoorknobs 04-30-2012 06:08 PM

Cowl mount options?
 
After reading the posts here it looks like a cowl mounted antenna is a good way to go. Good reception and less coax to run. I'll top it with a 3 ft Firestik antenna. I don't think I need the 4ft antenna since I don't have to clear my soft top to improve the reception. The question is, what brand cowl mount? It's not clear to me whether the Firestik Jeep Hood channel mount will work on a JK. Also, are there any issues mounting the CB antenna on the same side as the AM/FM antenna? Or should I keep it on the driver's side?

Thanks!

Rooster76 04-30-2012 10:42 PM

X2 - I would like to see more people who have hood mounted antennas on JK's
 
You would want to run it on the opposite side of the FM antenna or you would experience interference with your radio from what I have read.

I actually just bought the Jeep Hood mount. I only did because it was cheaper then getting the fire-ring coax and the right mounting stud.

After looking all over the place for mounting options I have only seen less than a handful of them mounted on the hood of a Jeep. This might be the only JK i have ever seen with a hood mount, below, from this link -->https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/jk-c...r-jeep-227276/
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/atta...8&d=1334158342

That metal right there is really thin, but that seems to be the only place you can really put it. I'm guessing he took of the whole fender panel to mount it. I think unless you reinforced it a small Ham antenna is the largest you could safely run.


OTHER OPTIONS
I have seen quite a few people mount to the windshield A-pillar bolts. I remember someone did it and said that they got bad reception there. It really isn't good for the antenna to be right next to the metal.

Another option is to mount it off of your front bumper. I saw one guy that did it with the stock bumper. He mounted it to the arms that hold the bumper on. I wish I could find that post. It looked a bit weird but not too bad. With the grill being plastic I bet he got really good reception.

There was this guys mount if they still make them -->https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/jk-e...a-mount-23887/
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2339/...59fc51857d.jpg

After it is all said and done, I think the Arizona Rocky Road Spare Tire Mount is the best option for a CB fiberglass antenna. The main drawback is that the Coax can get worn out with the opening and closing of the rear gate.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/atta...p;d=1335564698

Angry_Fisherman 05-01-2012 10:52 AM

I think the firestick is a bit too rigid to be mounting on the cowl. If you hit something on the trail, the cowl will bend.

This is a Diamond antenna mount, but I'm not sure if the have a model the will work with a Firestick
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/atta...2&d=1335895128

BagOfDoorknobs 05-01-2012 07:17 PM

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Good info. I was worried about interfering with the AM/FM antenna as well.

I did find the FireStik MK-J4R Hood Channel Jeep Antenna Mount Kit
Attachment 311748
but I've also seen reviews that suggested this was for the older TJ and YJ models. It seems like the sheet metal is a bit flimsy there on the JKs and something banging on the antenna might dork up something. The Arizona Rocky Road is my backup plan, but I was worried about it sticking up too high. The Diamond mount looked interesting, but my Googling around hasn't found much on this particular model of it though.

I could go with a more flexible antenna than a Firestik. Their FireFly seems like it might do the trick, or go with a Wilson antenna.

Rooster76 05-01-2012 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs (Post 2991921)
Good info. I was worried about interfering with the AM/FM antenna as well.

I did find the FireStik MK-J4R Hood Channel Jeep Antenna Mount Kit
Attachment 311748
but I've also seen reviews that suggested this was for the older TJ and YJ models. It seems like the sheet metal is a bit flimsy there on the JKs and something banging on the antenna might dork up something. The Arizona Rocky Road is my backup plan, but I was worried about it sticking up too high. The Diamond mount looked interesting, but my Googling around hasn't found much on this particular model of it though.

I could go with a more flexible antenna than a Firestik. Their FireFly seems like it might do the trick, or go with a Wilson antenna.

I would defiantly go with the firefly. It can bend 90 degrees or more without a spring. The Wilson flex doesn't have the same range, but seems to be a bit more flexible. Basically a 3' firefly = 4' wilson flex = 3 to 4 miles from the info on rightchannelradios.com.

After reading some old reviews it seems that some people really don't like the fire-ring coax. You might just try to find a coax that is 95% shielded that comes with both PL-259 connectors attached. There is a definite way that you have to mount the fire ring. If it is flipped 180 degrees on the wrong side it doesn't work well. Plus the way you have the isolating washer like any mount. I'm guessing some of those unsatisfied people mounted it with the wrong side facing up. It appears that with that kit as well you have to do a bit of soldering after you fish the coax through the Jeep. On the up side it has been said that it is resistant to rust.

I went with the fire ring because I am thinking of mounting it right to the spare tire holder like in this post --> https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/jk-c...e-mount-59752/ . The Arizona mount is awesome but even with a 2' antenna I couldn't get in my garage with one. While it is not the best, sometimes good enough is good enough.

4WheelingAstronomer 05-02-2012 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs
After reading the posts here it looks like a cowl mounted antenna is a good way to go. Good reception and less coax to run. I'll top it with a 3 ft Firestik antenna. I don't think I need the 4ft antenna since I don't have to clear my soft top to improve the reception. The question is, what brand cowl mount? It's not clear to me whether the Firestik Jeep Hood channel mount will work on a JK. Also, are there any issues mounting the CB antenna on the same side as the AM/FM antenna? Or should I keep it on the driver's side?

Thanks!

Dude! Im looking for cowl mount options too! Thread subscribed and I'll add info if I come across anything. I too am having slim pickins

Erok 05-03-2012 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs (Post 2991921)
Good info. I was worried about interfering with the AM/FM antenna as well.

I did find the FireStik MK-J4R Hood Channel Jeep Antenna Mount Kit
Attachment 311748
but I've also seen reviews that suggested this was for the older TJ and YJ models. It seems like the sheet metal is a bit flimsy there on the JKs and something banging on the antenna might dork up something. The Arizona Rocky Road is my backup plan, but I was worried about it sticking up too high. The Diamond mount looked interesting, but my Googling around hasn't found much on this particular model of it though.

I could go with a more flexible antenna than a Firestik. Their FireFly seems like it might do the trick, or go with a Wilson antenna.

I've just received this kit, the FireStik MK-J4R Hood Channel Jeep Antenna Mount Kit, and found that it will not fit safely on the 2012 Wrangler. There is a small part of the cowl where it can fit (similar to the green Jeep above), but the metal there can be flexed with one hand. The other part of the hood (in the 2012 at least) has been reinforced with box-shaped frame members, so there is no way to get "inside" it to screw the nuts on the underside of the mount.

I called Firestik and the first thing they said was "don't mount to that really flimsy point on the cowl, it can actually break the metal". Firestik is going to work with me to find a solution for the newer style frame- possibly using their Dodge Ram hood mount instead, as it looks like a better fit. I'll report back here in a couple days if anyone's interested, and have some pictures of the new frame members to post.

4WheelingAstronomer 05-03-2012 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by jahbone

I've just received this kit, the FireStik MK-J4R Hood Channel Jeep Antenna Mount Kit, and found that it will not fit safely on the 2012 Wrangler. There is a small part of the cowl where it can fit (similar to the green Jeep above), but the metal there can be flexed with one hand. The other part of the hood (in the 2012 at least) has been reinforced with box-shaped frame members, so there is no way to get "inside" it to screw the nuts on the underside of the mount.

I called Firestik and the first thing they said was "don't mount to that really flimsy point on the cowl, it can actually break the metal". Firestik is going to work with me to find a solution for the newer style frame- possibly using their Dodge Ram hood mount instead, as it looks like a better fit. I'll report back here in a couple days if anyone's interested, and have some pictures of the new frame members to post.

I have the Dodge Dakota mount so I tested it. It seems to not quite fit the curve of the hood.

BagOfDoorknobs 05-04-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jahbone (Post 2994376)
I've just received this kit, the FireStik MK-J4R Hood Channel Jeep Antenna Mount Kit, and found that it will not fit safely on the 2012 Wrangler. There is a small part of the cowl where it can fit (similar to the green Jeep above), but the metal there can be flexed with one hand. The other part of the hood (in the 2012 at least) has been reinforced with box-shaped frame members, so there is no way to get "inside" it to screw the nuts on the underside of the mount.

I called Firestik and the first thing they said was "don't mount to that really flimsy point on the cowl, it can actually break the metal". Firestik is going to work with me to find a solution for the newer style frame- possibly using their Dodge Ram hood mount instead, as it looks like a better fit. I'll report back here in a couple days if anyone's interested, and have some pictures of the new frame members to post.

That's good to know. I've also found these guys w ww.cometantenna.com. They have a bunch of lip mount antennas. But I suspect they'll have the same issue with the box frame members.

This one w ww.rightchannelradios.com/adjustable-universal-hood-mount.html

Attachment 312502

might work if there's enough of a "box" to screw it on to.

I've got an email out to these guys h ttp://cfeproducts.com/cbansys.html to see if this mount

Attachment 312504

has ever been done successfully on a jeep.

This might be my get rich quick scheme - design a cowl mount that actually works on a JK. Now all I need to do is sell 1 million of them :)

Erok 05-04-2012 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by 4WheelingAstronomer (Post 2994716)
I have the Dodge Dakota mount so I tested it. It seems to not quite fit the curve of the hood.

Shoot. What year JK are you driving? I think the existing Jeep version of the Firstik cowl mount works all the way up through 2010 models. It's only the last year or two that the hood and cowl area has changed enough to not make it work. I guess we'll see when my Dodge Ram mount gets here!

Erok 05-04-2012 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs (Post 2996079)
That's good to know. I've also found these guys w ww.cometantenna.com. They have a bunch of lip mount antennas. But I suspect they'll have the same issue with the box frame members.

This one w ww.rightchannelradios.com/adjustable-universal-hood-mount.html

Attachment 312502

might work if there's enough of a "box" to screw it on to.

I've got an email out to these guys h ttp://cfeproducts.com/cbansys.html to see if this mount

Attachment 312504

has ever been done successfully on a jeep.

Hmm. I think Rick from Firestik is sending me a couple different types, one might be that first one you posted.


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs (Post 2996079)
This might be my get rich quick scheme - design a cowl mount that actually works on a JK. Now all I need to do is sell 1 million of them :)

LOL. Well, good luck. If Firestik doesn't come up with a solution you might be the one to do it! :)

Erok 05-04-2012 06:37 AM

Here's pics of my aborted cowl mount job. On this first pic, you can see where I used a Sharpie to mark two screw holes in the flexible part of the quarter panel, on the right of the photo (near that square hole). You can make that piece of metal wiggle easily with your hand. With pliers you could make origami out of it.

http://flexapic.com/g.ashx?id=8977

The existing Jeep mount is a flat piece of metal, so there's no way I can work it onto that box frame member, roll it down, then bend it back out horizontally. If I had access to a metal brake, maybe.

But, notice that big bolt where the quarter panel attaches to the box frame- that area nearly matches the specs of Dodge Ram mount (Firestik posts detailed measurements of that particular mount).

More pics:

http://flexapic.com/g.ashx?id=8979

http://flexapic.com/g.ashx?id=8981

4WheelingAstronomer 05-04-2012 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by jahbone
Here's pics of my aborted cowl mount job. On this first pic, you can see where I used a Sharpie to mark two screw holes in the flexible part of the quarter panel, on the right of the photo (near that square hole). You can make that piece of metal wiggle easily with your hand. With pliers you could make origami out of it.

The existing Jeep mount is a flat piece of metal, so there's no way I can work it onto that box frame member, roll it down, then bend it back out horizontally. If I had access to a metal brake, maybe.

But, notice that big bolt where the quarter panel attaches to the box frame- that area nearly matches the specs of Dodge Ram mount (Firestik posts detailed measurements of that particular mount).

More pics:

I have a 2008 JK. The bolt you mentioned is exactly where I tried to mount the Dakota mount. It sure does look strong so if you can find a proper mount, do it there for sure. The thinner metal more aft of this spot does look too thin!

Anyways gents, i decided to pull the trigger on the Arizona Ridge rear mount. Going with a 4' Firestick Firefly on a spring. The Arizona mount gets the base of the antenna up to the level of the 3rd brake light so I think it'll transmit nicely and with a 4' antenna, i think it'll work well (and look badass). I also think that the cowl mount woulda gotten hit too much on the trail by branches. Plus i was sick of looking for a cowl mount. Good luck though guys!!

Erok 05-04-2012 09:53 AM

I looked at that Arizona Ridge mount too- if this doesn't work out, that's the way I'm headed.

BagOfDoorknobs 05-04-2012 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by jahbone (Post 2996727)
I looked at that Arizona Ridge mount too- if this doesn't work out, that's the way I'm headed.

Same here. The Arizona mount was my backup. I'm just worried that the antenna will be so tall that I'll have issues getting into parking garages. I'll probably throw on one of the quick disconnects in case I need to pull it off.

4WheelingAstronomer 05-04-2012 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs

Same here. The Arizona mount was my backup. I'm just worried that the antenna will be so tall that I'll have issues getting into parking garages. I'll probably throw on one of the quick disconnects in case I need to pull it off.

My plan is to carry a crescent wrench. Comes off in seconds

firephight 05-04-2012 11:07 AM

mounting spots
 
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BagOfDoorknobs 05-04-2012 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by firephight (Post 2996835)

what brand is that mount on the right on the hood? I assume that when you raise your hood the antenna will hit the windshield?

firephight 05-05-2012 10:24 AM

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its a NMO style trunk lip mount. it has a 1/4 wave motorola antenna

Erok 05-10-2012 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by 4WheelingAstronomer (Post 2996571)
I have a 2008 JK. The bolt you mentioned is exactly where I tried to mount the Dakota mount. It sure does look strong so if you can find a proper mount, do it there for sure. The thinner metal more aft of this spot does look too thin!

Well, shoot. Same thing for me, I took the Dakota/Ram mount that Firestik sent me, and it looks like the right shape, but it needs to bend a little more to clear the hood when it closes. I'm going to send them pictures and see about getting a new one made to the specs I'm sending them.

Otherwise it's a rear mount like the one you posted. Thanks!

EDIT: Firestik rep said they would likely work on an update, but it wouldn't be soon. Returning my cowl mount kit and going with the Arizona I think.

4WheelingAstronomer 05-10-2012 04:04 PM

Just mounted my Arizona Rocky Road this afternoon with 4 foot, yes I said 4 foot Firefly Firestik today (I went overboard lol). Will post pics soon. Debating on where to mount the CB...

4WheelingAstronomer 05-12-2012 06:29 AM

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BagOfDoorknobs 05-12-2012 09:53 PM

Looks good! Any issues running the coax through the rear door? I emailed Rick at Arizona rocky roads to see if he had a mirror mount for the JK. He said no, just the TJ's. He said to be careful about the cowl mounts on the JKs because the sheet metal is so thin. So it looks like the Arizona mount for me too. Probably next month, this month I picked up a Rancho oil pan skid (needed as evidenced by the awesome dent/scratch mark in my oil pan).

4WheelingAstronomer 05-13-2012 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by BagOfDoorknobs
Looks good! Any issues running the coax through the rear door?

Yes. Originally I was going to run it through the rubber plug on the right side but I bought the coax with the PL259s pre-attached. But that would've meant that I would have had to drill a huge hole through the rubber plug. More to the point, the access hole on the inside right (under the plastic trim) was too small for the PL259s and again I didnt want to cut. So...I ran it through the vent then routed it through the larger access hole on the LEFT side of the tailgate (under the plastic trim).


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