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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ronjenx
The high mounted brake light is a hard wired circuit from the battery, to the M1 fuse, to the brake switch, to the light on the high mount. There is no cluster or computer control for it. A wire does branch off to the cluster, after the switch. I haven't looked into what that is for.

On the brake light switch, pin 5 gets power from fuse M1. Pin 6 is the wire out to the light.

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 10:45 AM
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ee for each Titled Cavity? This is the one 20 Pin connector on the back of the Cluster, Speedometer and the is Mopar's Harness Repair Diagrams, Listed is the Cavity/Destination, Colors of Wire, and the Gauge of the Wire....Does anyone else Yes the Words Park and Park and ETC? The Cluster is the Control/Monitoring Center and it will tell you when something fails one of the Clusters many tests it runs and let you know if trouble is with other Monitoring Jobs it does... It even gets it's time from the Radi

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 10:53 AM
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What does any and every eye that reads this or will read this, what do you see for each Titled Cavity? This is the one 20 Pin connector on the back of the Cluster, Speedometer and the is Mopar's Harness Repair Diagrams, Listed is the Cavity/Destination, Colors of Wire, and the Gauge of the Wire....Does anyone else Yes the Words Park and Park and ETC? The Cluster is the Control/Monitoring Center and it will tell you when something fails one of the Clusters many tests it runs and let you know if trouble is with other Monitoring Jobs it does... It even gets it's time from the Radio if needed...
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 11:00 AM
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very eye that reads this or will read this, what do you see for each Titled Cavity? This is the one 20 Pin connector on the back of the Cluster, Speedometer and the is Mopar's Harness Repair Diagrams, Listed is the Cavity/Destination, Colors of Wire, and the Gauge of the Wire....Does anyone else Yes the Words Park and Park and ETC? The Cluster is the Control/Monitoring Center and it will tell you when something fails one of the Clusters many tests it runs and let you know if trouble is with

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 11:01 AM
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r will read this, what do you see for each Titled Cavity? This is the one 20 Pin connector on the back of the Cluster, Speedometer and the is Mopar's Harness Repair Diagrams, Listed is the Cavity/Destination, Colors of Wire, and the Gauge of the Wire....Does anyone else Yes the Words Park and Park and ETC? The Cluster is the Control/Monitoring Center and it will tell you when something fails one of the Clusters many tests it runs and let you know if trouble is w

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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d brake light is a hard wired circuit from the battery, to the M1 fuse, to the brake switch, to the light on the high mount. There is no cluster or computer control for it. A wire does branch off to the cluster, after the switch. I haven't looked into what that is for.

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ronjenx
The high mounted brake light is a hard wired circuit from the battery, to the M1 fuse, to the brake switch, to the light on the high mount. There is no cluster or computer control for it. A wire does branch off to the cluster, after the switch. I haven't looked into what that is for.

On the brake light switch, pin 5 gets power from fuse M1. Pin 6 is the wire out to the light.
Now, that we know that either everybody knows or can simple can go look this up in a second, Please Present the Documents you have to Call, I mean Prove that I am a Liar, I mean Wrong (which is what you havw done for a while to me) and that your Description is Right....Just cut and Paste em here... You need to Use my Access to Mopar/Chrysler's Techs' Documents???

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlJeepsTer
Now, that we know that either everybody knows or can simple can go look this up in a second, Please Present the Documents you have to Call, I mean Prove that I am a Liar, I mean Wrong (which is what you havw done for a while to me) and that your Description is Right....Just cut and Paste em here... You need to Use my Access to Mopar/Chrysler's Techs' Documents???
What???

Are we talking about two different things here?
And who is calling anybody a liar? (I hope you are kidding.)

The way I understood the OP, he tapped into the high mounted brake light circuit, and then had problems with it.

I tried to show the high mounted brake light circuit has no connection to the cluster or computer, other than a tap from the light wire after the switch on the pedal. I was hoping that information would help him find why the high mounted light doesn't light up sometimes.
The switch on the pedal is what makes and breaks the connection to the high mounted light.
The wire into the switch, on pin 5, gets power from fuse M1, which is connected directly to the positive battery wire on the TIPM.
The wire from the switch, on pin 6, goes right out to the high mounted light. That wire has a splice on it, with a wire to the cluster. (It's probably how the cluster knows to tell the TIPM to send power to the rest of the brake lights.)

There is the possibility the 2013 changed all of this. But, the OP said the light on his is connected to fuse M1. That suggests the circuit is still as I described.

I just went to the wiring diagram link you posted, and looked at 2013 diagram #50-005-001 CHMSL, LICENSE.
It shows the pedal mounted switch pin 5 getting power from the battery through fuse M1, then through pin 6 to the high mounted light.

At the same site, I looked at the diagram for the 2013 fuse M1. It shows it to get power directly from the battery.

The 2013 is the same as I described above, which was from a 2008 diagram.

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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ronjenx
What???

Are we talking about two different things here?
And who is calling anybody a liar? (I hope you are kidding.)

The way I understood the OP, he tapped into the high mounted brake light circuit, and then had problems with it.

I tried to show the high mounted brake light circuit has no connection to the cluster or computer, other than a tap from the light wire after the switch on the pedal. I was hoping that information would help him find why the high mounted light doesn't light up sometimes.
The switch on the pedal is what makes and breaks the connection to the high mounted light.
The wire into the switch, on pin 5, gets power from fuse M1, which is connected directly to the positive battery wire on the TIPM.
The wire from the switch, on pin 6, goes right out to the high mounted light. That wire has a splice on it, with a wire to the cluster. (It's probably how the cluster knows to tell the TIPM to send power to the rest of the brake lights.)

There is the possibility the 2013 changed all of this. But, the OP said the light on his is connected to fuse M1. That suggests the circuit is still as I described.

I just went to the wiring diagram link you posted, and looked at 2013 diagram #50-005-001 CHMSL, LICENSE.
It shows the pedal mounted switch pin 5 getting power from the battery through fuse M1, then through pin 6 to the high mounted light.

At the same site, I looked at the diagram for the 2013 fuse M1. It shows it to get power directly from the battery.

The 2013 is the same as I described above, which was from a 2008 diagram.
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2013 or 2008, they are pretty much the same with exception of Power and Manual Features. Chrysler Smartly would change or better said, Fiat Wouldn't let this Happen so close to a Redesign...I will Enter a 2013 and a 2014 if i can.... Maybe you had him cut into the Tailgate Harness...it would have at least a 5 pin Harness....

Not sure what Vehicle you are Talking about with a pin 5 and pin 6 and the High Mount....Because the Wranglers High mount Lamp Wire Harness has the Connector above which is a 2 Pin and the High Mount on a Wrangler doesn't connect to a Power source Directly. This is The Top reason for using a Can Bus system in Vehicles because Less Wiring needed because of the this example here, and Manufactures liked the idea of spending less to build, so they could charge us more....lol....and There is no change in this wiring, maybe wires added and deleted from a harness , but no changes on the Can Bus Plan Wiring...
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Old Apr 3, 2013 | 01:32 PM
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and the High Mount....Because the Wranglers High mount Lamp Wire Harness has the Connector above which is a 2 Pin and the High Mount on a Wrangler doesn't connect to a Power source Directly. This is The Top reason for using a Can Bus system in Vehicles because Less Wiring needed because of the this example here, and Manufactures liked the idea of spending less to build, so they could charge us more....lol....and There is no change in this wiring, maybe wires added and deleted from a harn

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