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DeucesALLin 10-12-2012 06:35 AM

The black art of turbo sizing...
 
...is really just all about compressor mapping and matching that to your needs. (CIDx0.5xRPMxVE... etc.) There are some great books by SA Design as well as HP Books. I personally think the actual powe-rband of these is so low, you would be wasting money unless you could were going to bolt on some junkyard pieces from an import.

Personally, I just want the instant throttle response of a POSITIVE DISPLACEMENT blower, like a twin screw compressor. THen no matter what RPM your at, when you hit the loud pedal you are getting WHAT YOU PAID FOR. Why pay for a 8PSI kit (50% more power) when it is only MAKING 8PSI at 5000RPM? With a twin screw, the boost is already there, all you gotta do is open up the throttle blade.

DeucesALLin 10-12-2012 06:39 AM

Houston area...
 

Originally Posted by DocFuller (Post 3249035)
Totally love this thread- and free to subscribe to :) dueces- where are you in the country?!?

I am in the Houston area... and have an account with LKQ! :yup:

33 williys 77 10-12-2012 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by RoysRig (Post 3244113)
Raced at Bandimere for years. I love displacement, but would love a turbo even more up here.

HP Loss = (elevation x 0.03 x horsepower @ sea level)/1000

For Colorado Springs (approx. elevation 6000 feet), I'm assuming you have a 2011 or earlier = 202 HP for the 3.8 L:

(6000 x 0.03 x 202hp)/1000 = 36hp loss

Now you are running around 166 HP...


33:yup:

DeucesALLin 10-13-2012 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by 33 williys 77

HP Loss = (elevation x 0.03 x horsepower @ sea level)/1000

For Colorado Springs (approx. elevation 6000 feet), I'm assuming you have a 2011 or earlier = 202 HP for the 3.8 L:

(6000 x 0.03 x 202hp)/1000 = 36hp loss

Now you are running around 166 HP...

33:yup:

Just add boost! (HP

DeucesALLin 10-13-2012 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by 33 williys 77

HP Loss = (elevation x 0.03 x horsepower @ sea level)/1000

For Colorado Springs (approx. elevation 6000 feet), I'm assuming you have a 2011 or earlier = 202 HP for the 3.8 L:

(6000 x 0.03 x 202hp)/1000 = 36hp loss

Now you are running around 166 HP...

33:yup:

Just add boost! You get 6.8% horsepower, at the same power band, per every pound of boost. So you would adjust your wastegate or pulley for another 3psi...or 39hp!

The EASY part is adding boost. The hard part is adding boost thats there WHEN YOU NEED IT... not where it showed up on a dyno. Go twin screw for a non-race JK, or a well designed turbo.

NebraskaUnlimited 10-13-2012 09:11 AM

Forgive my stupid question, but what is an example of a twin-screw

efan450 10-13-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NebraskaUnlimited
Forgive my stupid question, but what is an example of a twin-screw



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These two are roots type and are less efficient then the newer twin screw where two machined helices compress the air better and generate less heat

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New style twin screw supercharger, although they both do the same thing the twin screw is new technology

DeucesALLin 10-13-2012 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by efan450

<img src="https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=377682"/>

<img src="https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=377681"/>

These two are roots type and are less efficient then the newer twin screw where two machined helices compress the air better and generate less heat

<img src="https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=377683"/>
New style twin screw supercharger, although they both do the same thing the twin screw is new technology

...now imagine your air intake is above those screws/lobes and your throttle body is below them. Think of allll that boost just waiting for you to hit the loud pedal! BANG! Whatever you paid for, 8lbs... 10... 22? It is INSTANTLY THERE. Thats why it is called a positive displacement blower.

Instant boost... from about 1,500 rpm all the way to redline.

33 williys 77 10-16-2012 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by DeucesALLin (Post 3250896)
Just add boost! (HP

Plus a viper t.b

The 3.8l has 2.5" diameter t.b and the viper t.b diameter is 3" so its a increase in air volume. The 3.6l has 3" t.b diameter already so its pointless.

and there are programers that will acount for the t.b diameter 3"

33:yup:

Runamuk 10-16-2012 08:11 PM

That good info. My concern was the same when I contacted the only company I know of offering the Stroker Kit short block, requested dyno results. No response? That tells me lots, plus I was thinking that you can add cubes but with no mods to the heads would it still be clogging on the exhaust stroke?


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