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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 06:12 AM
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My thing is how do I know I set my angle correctly without the tooling to measure these things. I’ll call Adams and see what they have to say.
That's my point though. You need the readout from an actual alignment to see where you really are, then you can just adjust in the garage using your angle finder as a baseline.

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money that could be put towards a skid plate which would give you bit more peace of mind.
I meant to say "a bit more peace of mind for when we run Holy Cross on the next trip!"

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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 06:16 AM
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For the vibration check the new flange to ensure it is tight on the TC. Friend years ago had this issue on his 78 F150 when it was near new.

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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sixty4x4
For the vibration check the new flange to ensure it is tight on the TC. Friend years ago had this issue on his 78 F150 when it was near new.
good point. When I had the drive shaft installed, it had the vibration(very slight). I went to Moab and the drive shaft actually became really loose. I guess the installer forgot to locktight the bolts. The shop in Moab didn't do anything to the flange as far as I know.
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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 11:07 AM
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Well, I just shortened my UCA's by 1 revolution and changed the angle by 1* (at the flat spot on the diff). Test drove the jeep and the steering is better (less wander), but the rumble appears to be a little more noticable. Going to pull the DS at next opportunity.
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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by resharp001
I meant to say "a bit more peace of mind for when we run Holy Cross on the next trip!"
Sure, I’ll park and record you doing it, then probably drive you back to your Dad’s place in my still working Jeep.
Man my iPad hates this site anymore, multiple resets , slow loading, and very slow typing response.

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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pcmasten
Well, I just shortened my UCA's by 1 revolution and changed the angle by 1* (at the flat spot on the diff). Test drove the jeep and the steering is better (less wander), but the rumble appears to be a little more noticable. Going to pull the DS at next opportunity.
i thought 3 degrees of caster was the sweet spot after a lift? The factory setup should have 4 degrees of caster built in when the pinion flange is at 90 degrees. Rotating the pinion up 1 degree leaves you with 3 degrees of caster. If you’re at more than 4 degrees, wouldn’t your pinion flange be less than 90, potentially causing a vibration?

The real question I guess is what driveshaft do you have now? That would determine what your pinion angle should ideally be, then you can play the caster game some more to find the mix of drive ability versus happy angles


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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by murdoc319
i thought 3 degrees of caster was the sweet spot after a lift? The factory setup should have 4 degrees of caster built in when the pinion flange is at 90 degrees. Rotating the pinion up 1 degree leaves you with 3 degrees of caster. If you’re at more than 4 degrees, wouldn’t your pinion flange be less than 90, potentially causing a vibration?

The real question I guess is what driveshaft do you have now? That would determine what your pinion angle should ideally be, then you can play the caster game some more to find the mix of drive ability versus happy angles
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shortening the UCA should increase the caster since it would move the pinion down. For a 3 1/2" lift, the sweet spot should be 5* to 6*? Metalcloak calls for 5* on their lift install directions.

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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by murdoc319
i thought 3 degrees of caster was the sweet spot after a lift? The factory setup should have 4 degrees of caster built in when the pinion flange is at 90 degrees. Rotating the pinion up 1 degree leaves you with 3 degrees of caster. If you’re at more than 4 degrees, wouldn’t your pinion flange be less than 90, potentially causing a vibration?
You're on the right track, but there is a 6* separation between Caster and Pinion, not 4.

Caster 7* = Pinion 1* dn
Caster 6* = Pinion 0*
Caster 5* = Pinion 1* up
Caster 4* = Pinion 2* up
Caster 3* = Pinion 3* up

This is am image from the Dynatrac PR44 FAQ that has been floating around for years now. Gives a decent illustration of how rotating the housing will affect caster and pinion angles.

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Old Aug 18, 2020 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pcmasten
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shortening the UCA should increase the caster since it would move the pinion down.
Correct. Shortening the uppers (or lengthening the lowers) would rotate the pinion down while raising the caster.

Better to use posted numbers as starting points, not hard fact. The 'best' caster/pinion angles will depend on lift height, type of driveshaft joints, usage, etc.
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Old Aug 19, 2020 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nthinuf
You're on the right track, but there is a 6* separation between Caster and Pinion, not 4.

Caster 7* = Pinion 1* dn
Caster 6* = Pinion 0*
Caster 5* = Pinion 1* up
Caster 4* = Pinion 2* up
Caster 3* = Pinion 3* up

This is am image from the Dynatrac PR44 FAQ that has been floating around for years now. Gives a decent illustration of how rotating the housing will affect caster and pinion angles.
Ah, that’s right, I swear I’m dyslexic and I look at the 96 degrees and always think 4 degrees of caster. I love this picture but always have to check it before I do my math!
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