Drastic steering issue
02-09-2018, 11:52 AM
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02-09-2018, 11:54 AM
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Do a quick search on 'cam bolt eliminator'. Basically just thick washers you place over the holes when you remove the cams. Welded, or not.
And I think you mentioned bumpsteer earlier in the thread. Let us know about the stock pitman / drop pitman, and whether there is a trackbar bracket. (could be hanging down from the frame side, or raised from the axle side. I think they offered both at various times)
And I think you mentioned bumpsteer earlier in the thread. Let us know about the stock pitman / drop pitman, and whether there is a trackbar bracket. (could be hanging down from the frame side, or raised from the axle side. I think they offered both at various times)
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02-09-2018, 12:03 PM
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Do a quick search on 'cam bolt eliminator'. Basically just thick washers you place over the holes when you remove the cams. Welded, or not.
And I think you mentioned bumpsteer earlier in the thread. Let us know about the stock pitman / drop pitman, and whether there is a trackbar bracket. (could be hanging down from the frame side, or raised from the axle side. I think they offered both at various times)
And I think you mentioned bumpsteer earlier in the thread. Let us know about the stock pitman / drop pitman, and whether there is a trackbar bracket. (could be hanging down from the frame side, or raised from the axle side. I think they offered both at various times)
Maybe you guys can see something obvious with these, I haven't been able to yet.
02-09-2018, 12:32 PM
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From that angle, it looks like a drop pitman, but ...
What does the other end of the trackbar look like. Pic 1 and 13 show the factory bracket, and the installed raised bracket.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/roughcountr...l/92160900.pdf
So anyway, what we are looking at here is flattening the angle of both the trackbar and draglink. The preferred method is to raise both from the axle. (axle side trackbar bracket, and moving the axle end of the draglink to the top of the knuckle.)
The cheap method is to lower the frame side with a drop pitman, and either lower the trackbar from the frame or raise and move in from the axle. This method isn't as well recieved, with comments that it messes up the 'planes they travel in', or some similar phrase.
What does the other end of the trackbar look like. Pic 1 and 13 show the factory bracket, and the installed raised bracket.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/roughcountr...l/92160900.pdf
So anyway, what we are looking at here is flattening the angle of both the trackbar and draglink. The preferred method is to raise both from the axle. (axle side trackbar bracket, and moving the axle end of the draglink to the top of the knuckle.)
The cheap method is to lower the frame side with a drop pitman, and either lower the trackbar from the frame or raise and move in from the axle. This method isn't as well recieved, with comments that it messes up the 'planes they travel in', or some similar phrase.
Last edited by nthinuf; 02-09-2018 at 12:39 PM.
02-09-2018, 12:49 PM
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From that angle, it looks like a drop pitman, but ...
What does the other end of the trackbar look like. Pic 1 and 13 show the factory bracket, and the installed raised bracket.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/roughcountr...l/92160900.pdf
So anyway, what we are looking at here is flattening the angle of both the trackbar and draglink. The preferred method is to raise both from the axle. (axle side trackbar bracket, and moving the axle end of the draglink to the top of the knuckle.)
The cheap method is to lower the frame side with a drop pitman, and either lower the trackbar from the frame or raise and move in from the axle. This method isn't as well recieved, with comments that it messes up the 'planes they travel in', or some similar phrase.
What does the other end of the trackbar look like. Pic 1 and 13 show the factory bracket, and the installed raised bracket.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/roughcountr...l/92160900.pdf
So anyway, what we are looking at here is flattening the angle of both the trackbar and draglink. The preferred method is to raise both from the axle. (axle side trackbar bracket, and moving the axle end of the draglink to the top of the knuckle.)
The cheap method is to lower the frame side with a drop pitman, and either lower the trackbar from the frame or raise and move in from the axle. This method isn't as well recieved, with comments that it messes up the 'planes they travel in', or some similar phrase.
02-09-2018, 01:16 PM
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Good deal, always helps to know what parts are installed.
So, start with centering the steering wheel, if you haven't already. A wrench and 5 minutes of your time is all it should take. loosen two bolts, twist the turnbuckle until the wheel is straight, tighten the bolts again. Then go for a drive and see if the computerized nanny still kicks in on turns.
Then post the Caster and Toe specs when you get the alignment. One note is that most shops will set caster to factory spec, and many people like going a bit higher after a lift. Instead of factory 4.2 degrees, it is not uncommon to go up to 5 or sometimes even 6 (depending on height and preferences). Don't know how much play you'll have with the cams, but something to consider.
Once you get the caster/toe adjusted, give us your opinion on any handling/steering changes and we can start up a new round of opinions.
So, start with centering the steering wheel, if you haven't already. A wrench and 5 minutes of your time is all it should take. loosen two bolts, twist the turnbuckle until the wheel is straight, tighten the bolts again. Then go for a drive and see if the computerized nanny still kicks in on turns.
Then post the Caster and Toe specs when you get the alignment. One note is that most shops will set caster to factory spec, and many people like going a bit higher after a lift. Instead of factory 4.2 degrees, it is not uncommon to go up to 5 or sometimes even 6 (depending on height and preferences). Don't know how much play you'll have with the cams, but something to consider.
Once you get the caster/toe adjusted, give us your opinion on any handling/steering changes and we can start up a new round of opinions.
Last edited by nthinuf; 02-09-2018 at 01:20 PM.
02-09-2018, 01:43 PM
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Good deal, always helps to know what parts are installed.
So, start with centering the steering wheel, if you haven't already. A wrench and 5 minutes of your time is all it should take. loosen two bolts, twist the turnbuckle until the wheel is straight, tighten the bolts again. Then go for a drive and see if the computerized nanny still kicks in on turns.
Then post the Caster and Toe specs when you get the alignment. One note is that most shops will set caster to factory spec, and many people like going a bit higher after a lift. Instead of factory 4.2 degrees, it is not uncommon to go up to 5 or sometimes even 6 (depending on height and preferences). Don't know how much play you'll have with the cams, but something to consider.
Once you get the caster/toe adjusted, give us your opinion on any handling/steering changes and we can start up a new round of opinions.
So, start with centering the steering wheel, if you haven't already. A wrench and 5 minutes of your time is all it should take. loosen two bolts, twist the turnbuckle until the wheel is straight, tighten the bolts again. Then go for a drive and see if the computerized nanny still kicks in on turns.
Then post the Caster and Toe specs when you get the alignment. One note is that most shops will set caster to factory spec, and many people like going a bit higher after a lift. Instead of factory 4.2 degrees, it is not uncommon to go up to 5 or sometimes even 6 (depending on height and preferences). Don't know how much play you'll have with the cams, but something to consider.
Once you get the caster/toe adjusted, give us your opinion on any handling/steering changes and we can start up a new round of opinions.
02-09-2018, 01:56 PM
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You might double check the torque on the pitman arm bolt. (I don't know the answer to how it would drive if that bolt was loose, just a thought since they did swap out that part.)
02-10-2018, 04:55 AM
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It's hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like the Track Bar may be interfering with something. Possibly the SS? Hard to tell from the angle of the pics, but I noticed some scrapes on that TB, which means there may be some other part that has scrapes on it as well that it rubs against during different steering and suspension flex situations.
