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Originally Posted by mikestoick (Post 3825174)

I agree totally with what your saying if your rock crawling, however, here in michigan and much of the east side of the country we do alot more mud and snow. Im gonna have to argue that in snow and mud lifting your rig to be get the body/frame out of the snow is essential. Otherwise you end up riding your body/frame on top of the snow/mud Then your stuck. Your can push some shit with your axles but once your framed out, forget it. Its a jeep not a plow haha. Just hope you have enough momentum. -MY thoughts in lifts haha

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Originally Posted by TheDirtman (Post 3825252)

Do you realize there is an edit feature on this forum? You should have spell check available to you as well.

haha thanks word police. But yea i know there is more than mud in michigan but the nearest off road park is 45 mins away. Some rocks there. Actually though thank you for posting the links, pretty cool, thanks. Silver lake over the fourth with me and buddies. Silver lake will be a good time, mostly sand but cool regardless. And as far as mud goes, isnt putting the pedal to the floor and slamming some mud fun as heck? I dont really care to show of how good of a driver i am or how much of a challenge i can handle. Im about the fun if it. Pedal + floor= fun, as long as i dont wreck my jeep of course. And i originally posted to ask if a lift is more important as a standalone for deep mud/snow compared to rocks. The guy who posted right before me agreed, and i think im in the right track. I didnt post to be a dick or to argue just wanted some info for someone who seem to know their stuff.

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Originally Posted by stagedtrip (Post 3825261)

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haha thanks buddy. If im honest i was posting while driving in the jeep haha.

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Originally Posted by TheDirtman (Post 3825221)

What Karl said. Mud plugs radiators, eats ujoints, causes overheating, hydrolocks motors, and you can never tell what is under that mud that is going to bend a rim or cut a tire. It takes almost no driving skills to hit a mud hole and step on the gas. Rock crawling is slow and that is a good thing, you need to learn to drive in control, keep the wheels up high, and pay attention to your spotter. You will learn the balance and feel of your rig and it will help you in other off camber situations while running trails. Rock crawling is a challange and forces you to learn new techniques to over come the challenges.

Agreed, I grew up in Wisconsin and and now live I New Mexico, its great to experience each, but when I first tried rock crawling it was an eye opener to see how much spotting and good lines helped. It does go to show though that depending on where you live you may want to build your jeep slightly different.

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Originally Posted by Maertz (Post 3825540)

yea man thats what im talking about. For as much as i know (not a whole lot, just a kid who likes to see where my jeep can go), it seems that Dirtmans write up is awesome and spot on for someone who wants to rock crawl. Im not opposed to rocks and yes, i could find some rocks, but my average "off road trip" consists of me, my dad and buddies going through my woods, in a field or some random trail we have access to. And yes we can encounter some pretty serious stuff. I see alot more mud & snow than rocks or large solid obstacles to crawl over so i would like to modify my jeep to suit. I dont think this makes me a stupid redneck who mindlessly wants to floor it through 4 ft of mud while rollin on 44 super swampers haha. Im not sure if there is such a detailed write up on how to build jeep to conquer terrain of this type but it sure would be cool! Someone want to take the wheel on this one? I sure as heck am not qualified to discuss the matter like im an expert!

Bigger tires would be the soulution, not a big lift, whether you are in mud or rock crawling. Your axles are going to drag and hang you up just as easy as your belly will.

Tires raise the whole vehicle and give you the needed ground clearance as well as the bigger tread. The only difference I see between mud/snow and rock crawling is that I would run a really wide tire on a mud/snow wheeler to gain float and traction.

Look up mud bogging videos and you will see the guys that know what they are doing are running huge wide tires, not big lifts with little skinny tires.

I have read some of your threads complaining about your jeep and your inability to run in mud and snow with small street tires. From what have read you need experience in off road driving not a big lift.

I concur (not that it matters lol)

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Bigger tires require bigger lifts

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Originally Posted by TheDirtman (Post 3825562)

Bigger tires would be the soulution, not a big lift, whether you are in mud or rock crawling. Your axles are going to drag and hang you up just as easy as your belly will. Tires raise the whole vehicle and give you the needed ground clearance as well as the bigger tread. The only difference I see between mud/snow and rock crawling is that I would run a really wide tire on a mud/snow wheeler to gain float and traction. Look up mud bogging videos and you will see the guys that know what they are doing are running huge wide tires, not big lifts with little skinny tires. I have read some of your threads complaining about your jeep and your inability to run in mud and snow with small street tires. From what have read you need experience in off road driving not a big lift.

haha yea ill admit bigger tires with the correct tread would be the best single thing i could do. And to be clear they are a/t 31 inch tires, if you call that street tires than ok but being 20, on a budget and having my jeep as my DD requires a more practical tire. I agree pretty much with all you have to say but i guess i still believe that my axles can push some snow and mud but once your belly starts dragging you really gets in trouble. Thats where my inclination that a lift might be beneficial in other ways than purely to fit large tires comes from. I dont believe this is any crazy assumption. And im talking in the soupy stuff, not rocks of course, i understand, your axle cannot push a rock very well haha. 🍻. And as far as my other thread goes, i wasn't exactly trying to man handle the snow. I just wanted to test my theory on lifts, tires, etc. The point wasn't to show off how awesome i am at driving off road, i could have kept heavy pressure on the go pedal and made i right through. I just wanted to see what my jeep could do creeping through the snow in straight line, and overall i wasn't super impressed. Lastly man, i dont understand why you are so insistent on coming off as a know -it-all dick with all your posts. No one respects that kind of thing. I came and posted on this write up because i know you have more experience and to see if i could get some answers to my questions which i think are pretty good questions. Just humbly asking. At the end of the day man its all fun and all in the jeep family. No reason to be so serious. Jeep on!

This has been coming a long time- Dirtman gets called a (dick, troll, know-it-all, etc) because his opinion and experience doesn't match what someone wants to hear. It's ok, he gets it all the time.

It's just funny that someone with $11k, college paid for, good job, etc wouldn't push the limit and get some 33's. With that kind of cash you could buy a samurai and beat the hell out of it for next to nothing.

I've made my bed and now lay in it- atv for mud and rocks, jk for DD. No complaints from me about anything.