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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 12:45 PM
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There are several threads on spacers from just the last few days, and there is info in the wheels & tires faq's.

The gist is that if you get one of the crappy 'thin' spacers, the ones that are sandwiched between the hub and wheel, the lugnuts are held on by very few threads. These are the ones that you hear horror stories about.

The better version are thicker, and have two sets of bolts. Spacer is bolted to hub, and then the wheel is bolted to the spacer. The only time you'll hear about this type failing is when the person installs incorrectly or does not maintain them. Read the instructions when installing, and check the torque at every tire rotation, and they'll work fine
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JK703
Alright thanks for the advice man. Yah I won't be disconnecting. But the lift is going to be going on this Fall the stock tires are almost done.

Another quick question. I know a lot of people on here run Wheel Spacers, but I was talking to a couple friends from PA and they have driving jeeps their whole life and told me to stay away from wheel spacers because of the tendency to break which would screw you. Now is that them talking about older technology and not knowing the newer wheel spacers strengths or is it personal preference?
They are fine to run!

Older days are in the past.

A test was performed on here on a high quality wheel spacer (Spidertrax), the wheel broke before the wheel spacer...
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pluke the 2
They are fine to run!

Older days are in the past.

A test was performed on here on a high quality wheel spacer (Spidertrax), the wheel broke before the wheel spacer...
Here are the spacer 'test' threads:

https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...pacer-Analysis
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...-Spacer-Safety
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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there we go. the 'test' threads, lol . .
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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back to the TM thread.....

I know of a few dealers in the area that use that kit on new Jeeps. The techs like it because it's an easy install. The finance guys like the price. The sales people like the ride. Hard to argue with.

The kit comes with a track bar bracket for the rear that takes all the leverage off the axle, a front adjustable track bar, spacers and shocks.

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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ibrocun
I know of a few dealers in the area that use that kit on new Jeeps. The techs like it because it's an easy install. The finance guys like the price. The sales people like the ride. Hard to argue with.
I'm guessing they like it because it is a low cost, high profit install for them, and has nothing at all to do with the brand name...
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 02:08 PM
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Thanks for the information on the wheel spacers thats kind of what I have been assuming that the older days are behind us.

As for the lift, The price is what I like the most about it too and if there aren't any modifications you have to make during install it seems just as easy as the rest.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JK703
As for the lift, The price is what I like the most about it too and if there aren't any modifications you have to make during install it seems just as easy as the rest.
Don't confuse cheap with 'complete'. See how it handles, then decide if you need anything else...


Another important one from the FAQ's:

Q: What is Caster? How much do I need?
A: Caster is the angle upon which your front axle sits at in order to help keep your Jeep driving straight. Positive caster, which is what you want, will cause your axle to sit in a way that your pinion shaft will be dipping ever so slightly towards the ground. Too little or even negative caster angle can cause your Jeep to wander and feel 'flighty' or 'darty' as I've heard some people call it. From the factory, your JK will have +4.2° of caster and if you lift it and install larger tires, you will need to increase this amount to help compensate for the modifications. At 3"-4" of lift, I have found that +6°~8° of caster will do wonders to help improve the handling of your Jeep JK Wrangler.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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I'm a little late to the thread, but this kit looks pretty complete for a budget boost. I paid more and got less when I bought my Rubicon Express BB. My RE BB didn't come with a front track bar, rear track bar bracket or rear sway bar links and it still cost more than this Trail Master kit. I did a quick search on some sites and a kit with similar parts would cost about $600.

And after looking at the picture, it appears to have the same track bar and rear track bar bracket as what came with my $1,800 lift kit so I have no doubt that those parts are very well made.

Also, as mentioned by nthinuf, the drive shaft will hit the transmission skid plate when disconnected if the shocks are long enough. When I had my RE shocks on, they were short enough to keep the drive shaft from hitting the plate when I was disconnected. But when I removed the shocks and dropped the axle, you can see where it would hit.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 08:19 AM
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Thanks for the response man. Just wondering when you all wheel, do you disconnect before hitting any trail or do you only disconnect when you know your going to need alittle extra flex?
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