I would like to thank Full Traction
JK Newbie
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From: moving to Minden NV
FT rear track bar
I have a FT track bar in the rear and I took out the hard bushings plus the steel sleeve. Then I setup the bar in a mill and bored the sleeve out about .025 thousands more for a press fit of .0015 to .002 thousands. Then I used an OEM track bar bushing from a 2007 jk. No more clunks or squeaks. The durometer (hardness) of the OEM bushing is somewhere between 40&60C. This will give you the lateral movement in the bar when axle moves up and away also down and away following the axle radius. I truly think this is one big reason for the factures in the welds of the track bar bracket on the rear axle.
Looking at the OEM bushing steel sleeve you see almost twice the wall thickness more than the other steel sleeve and bushings. This will give you more of a pinch on the frame mount. I also noticed that both bushings have an ID. of .562 thousands which is 9/16 Dia. The OEM bolt is .543 thousands. I would probably put a 9/16 bolt in tack bar so there would be less play in that area around the bushing. I think this will work for you.
Find a machine shop in your area and have the work done. Go with bushing in hand so the machinist can mice the diameter for a press fit. Time is about 1 ½ to 2 hours if all tooling is available.
I bought the bushings from JKS Off-road.
This is just my thought on this (t-wagon)
Looking at the OEM bushing steel sleeve you see almost twice the wall thickness more than the other steel sleeve and bushings. This will give you more of a pinch on the frame mount. I also noticed that both bushings have an ID. of .562 thousands which is 9/16 Dia. The OEM bolt is .543 thousands. I would probably put a 9/16 bolt in tack bar so there would be less play in that area around the bushing. I think this will work for you.
Find a machine shop in your area and have the work done. Go with bushing in hand so the machinist can mice the diameter for a press fit. Time is about 1 ½ to 2 hours if all tooling is available.I bought the bushings from JKS Off-road.
This is just my thought on this (t-wagon)
JK Super Freak
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Oxnard, CA
I have a FT track bar in the rear and I took out the hard bushings plus the steel sleeve. Then I setup the bar in a mill and bored the sleeve out about .025 thousands more for a press fit of .0015 to .002 thousands. Then I used an OEM track bar bushing from a 2007 jk. No more clunks or squeaks. The durometer (hardness) of the OEM bushing is somewhere between 40&60C. This will give you the lateral movement in the bar when axle moves up and away also down and away following the axle radius. I truly think this is one big reason for the factures in the welds of the track bar bracket on the rear axle.
Looking at the OEM bushing steel sleeve you see almost twice the wall thickness more than the other steel sleeve and bushings. This will give you more of a pinch on the frame mount. I also noticed that both bushings have an ID. of .562 thousands which is 9/16 Dia. The OEM bolt is .543 thousands. I would probably put a 9/16 bolt in tack bar so there would be less play in that area around the bushing. I think this will work for you.
Find a machine shop in your area and have the work done. Go with bushing in hand so the machinist can mice the diameter for a press fit. Time is about 1 ½ to 2 hours if all tooling is available.
I bought the bushings from JKS Off-road.
This is just my thought on this (t-wagon)
Looking at the OEM bushing steel sleeve you see almost twice the wall thickness more than the other steel sleeve and bushings. This will give you more of a pinch on the frame mount. I also noticed that both bushings have an ID. of .562 thousands which is 9/16 Dia. The OEM bolt is .543 thousands. I would probably put a 9/16 bolt in tack bar so there would be less play in that area around the bushing. I think this will work for you.
Find a machine shop in your area and have the work done. Go with bushing in hand so the machinist can mice the diameter for a press fit. Time is about 1 ½ to 2 hours if all tooling is available.I bought the bushings from JKS Off-road.
This is just my thought on this (t-wagon)
This makes the most sense of anything I read in this thread. Basically with or without grease the joints should move fairly freely even at full articulation, when you find binding that requires constant replacement of lubrication it simply means there is too much stress and/or the wrong bushing size or material was used. I would opt to give t-wagons fix some serious thought.
JK Enthusiast
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This makes the most sense of anything I read in this thread. Basically with or without grease the joints should move fairly freely even at full articulation, when you find binding that requires constant replacement of lubrication it simply means there is too much stress and/or the wrong bushing size or material was used. I would opt to give t-wagons fix some serious thought.
Full Traction is still a new company to the suspension world, compared to the old big dogs like Rancho, etc. There are going to be problems that will require some working out and you all are the test rats that continue to buy their products. I'm not saying that they don't make a decent product but by no means would I ever put one of their "systems" under my daily driver. Most people that have bought one here have bought a Full Traction systems due to the hype created by the advertisement by the moderators who have received free products from this manufacturer.
The problem that is being experienced here is a common mistake made my suspension companies that do not test their products long term before releasing them to the market. Most companies experience this due to competitiveness in the market place, especially when a new vehicle explodes onto the scene, like the JK. Having to make modifications as suggested, to a mass produced lift kit is rediculous. A very simple, bolt on lift kit, should experience zero problems and when something like this occurs, you should doubt the credibility of the company's products, which I have done since their conception, only a short time ago. Good luck and let's just hope the company stands behind their products and mistake that go along with them.
JK Junkie
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: Apple Valley, California Good ole Mojave Desert.
This sounds like that all of the "R&D" that the "Great Full Traction" has done, may not be as good as they preach it to be.
Full Traction is still a new company to the suspension world, compared to the old big dogs like Rancho, etc. There are going to be problems that will require some working out and you all are the test rats that continue to buy their products. I'm not saying that they don't make a decent product but by no means would I ever put one of their "systems" under my daily driver. Most people that have bought one here have bought a Full Traction systems due to the hype created by the advertisement by the moderators who have received free products from this manufacturer.
The problem that is being experienced here is a common mistake made my suspension companies that do not test their products long term before releasing them to the market. Most companies experience this due to competitiveness in the market place, especially when a new vehicle explodes onto the scene, like the JK. Having to make modifications as suggested, to a mass produced lift kit is rediculous. A very simple, bolt on lift kit, should experience zero problems and when something like this occurs, you should doubt the credibility of the company's products, which I have done since their conception, only a short time ago. Good luck and let's just hope the company stands behind their products and mistake that go along with them.
Full Traction is still a new company to the suspension world, compared to the old big dogs like Rancho, etc. There are going to be problems that will require some working out and you all are the test rats that continue to buy their products. I'm not saying that they don't make a decent product but by no means would I ever put one of their "systems" under my daily driver. Most people that have bought one here have bought a Full Traction systems due to the hype created by the advertisement by the moderators who have received free products from this manufacturer.
The problem that is being experienced here is a common mistake made my suspension companies that do not test their products long term before releasing them to the market. Most companies experience this due to competitiveness in the market place, especially when a new vehicle explodes onto the scene, like the JK. Having to make modifications as suggested, to a mass produced lift kit is rediculous. A very simple, bolt on lift kit, should experience zero problems and when something like this occurs, you should doubt the credibility of the company's products, which I have done since their conception, only a short time ago. Good luck and let's just hope the company stands behind their products and mistake that go along with them.
JK Enthusiast
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Honestly, you should consider Full Traction but you should also consider everyone else. Get some unbiased opinions. Get out on the trail and ask the other guys what they think of the suspensions they are running. Watch their Jeeps work and listen to their advise, then research each suspension company and their product. It is truly the only way to make an educated decision on an important part of your Jeep.
You also must be true to yourself and decide what your Jeep will really be used for. This forum is a 90% Flash, 10% Function forum. Most guys here only care about how their Jeeps look. If this is the case and Flash is most important to you, then most lift kits should work for you....but if you plan on serious wheeling, I would only trust a very few to get me back home.
JK Jedi Master
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From: O HI 4 Lo
my bad, only 10% of us wheel...
If 1986 is new to the after market suspension world, i guess they are rookies then
It would be great if the Moderators recieved free lifts, but we dont. I'll let HappyC, Robar and Jack know the lifts should be arriving any day. I'm sure they will be thrilled to hear the good news.
another great fact, you forgot to mention other lift companies have had problems with the track bars as well. Trackbar brackets breaking off, and also problems with bushings at the bracket.
Could it be the weak steal the brackets are made out of?
If 1986 is new to the after market suspension world, i guess they are rookies then
It would be great if the Moderators recieved free lifts, but we dont. I'll let HappyC, Robar and Jack know the lifts should be arriving any day. I'm sure they will be thrilled to hear the good news.
another great fact, you forgot to mention other lift companies have had problems with the track bars as well. Trackbar brackets breaking off, and also problems with bushings at the bracket.
Could it be the weak steal the brackets are made out of?
JK Jedi
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: So. Cal.
Most people that have bought one here have bought a Full Traction systems due to the hype created by the advertisement by the moderators who have received free products from this manufacturer.
The problem that is being experienced here is a common mistake made my suspension companies that do not test their products long term before releasing them to the market. Most companies experience this due to competitiveness in the market place, especially when a new vehicle explodes onto the scene, like the JK. Having to make modifications as suggested, to a mass produced lift kit is rediculous. A very simple, bolt on lift kit, should experience zero problems and when something like this occurs, you should doubt the credibility of the company's products, which I have done since their conception, only a short time ago. Good luck and let's just hope the company stands behind their products and mistake that go along with them.
The problem that is being experienced here is a common mistake made my suspension companies that do not test their products long term before releasing them to the market. Most companies experience this due to competitiveness in the market place, especially when a new vehicle explodes onto the scene, like the JK. Having to make modifications as suggested, to a mass produced lift kit is rediculous. A very simple, bolt on lift kit, should experience zero problems and when something like this occurs, you should doubt the credibility of the company's products, which I have done since their conception, only a short time ago. Good luck and let's just hope the company stands behind their products and mistake that go along with them.
From reading this forum, I am not sure anyone has wheeled his lift more than WOL. In the 11 months he has had his Jeep he has wheeled it practically every other weekend if not more. Many times not skipping a weekend. Most of them are multiple day outings as well. Not to mention the many miles of road driving to get there. Northern Ca and back several times, Moab and back, Vegas and back several times. The guy/Jeep is like the Energizer Bunny, all with zero problems.
And with all that said, I have no doubt, knowing the people that run full traction, that anyone that would experience any major problems would be well supported.
May I ask, what lift are you running, and how do you like it? And how long has it been tested before you put it on your Jeep. Especially since the Jeep has been only out for a little over a year.
JK Jedi
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From: So. Cal.
I just looked back at some of your posts Dirk and see you are running the Skyjacker long arm kit, and you have already ripped off the front track bar bracket and had to get them reinforced and welded........
.....Yet you have the audacity to jump on a Full Traction thread of which you have no experience with and bash them because they haven't long term tested them and have a a squeak in their track bar.....
I will have to research what other things you put on your Jeep so I know what the hell to stay away from!
.....Yet you have the audacity to jump on a Full Traction thread of which you have no experience with and bash them because they haven't long term tested them and have a a squeak in their track bar.....I will have to research what other things you put on your Jeep so I know what the hell to stay away from!