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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 12:25 PM
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Default Let's hope Moab will not be closed to off-roaders

The preliminary reports I'm hearing see to point to Moab area being closed down to all off-road travel save for hikers.

Let us hope this ultimately will not be the case, however it seems to be a foregone conclussion that we've lost another another great place to go wheeling.

It is for reasons like this that we must reinforce with everyone importance of "NOT" partaking in illegal off-roading. When off-roading stay on the designated trails. Paraphrasing the signs I saw at the many a trail head in Moab, "Follow Trails, Not Tracks".

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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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i was reading on another forum that if the bill passes ... it doesn't mean it will be closed. it just gives more power to certin ppl who would then be able to if they deamed it the "right thing to do".

giving WAY too much power to an old hippie who's way out on one side ... never a good thing though ...
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kkuntz01
The preliminary reports I'm hearing see to point to Moab area being closed down to all off-road travel save for hikers.
Nice scare tactics, but HR 1925 is just being heard today, no signs are pointing to anything yet. Some version of this has been introduced every year, though not necessarily encompassing Moab, and it never gets through. My question is, if you're this concerned, have you expressed that to your Congessional and Senate representatives?

Now everyone run off and join Tread Lightly. Really. Please do it.

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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 12:53 PM
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This is the full text of the bill. H.R. 1925 full text of bill

Skimming through everything, it looks like many areas are being designated "Wilderness Area. I haven't had time to see specifically what that means, however an assumption is that it does not bode well for any enjoys partaking in any sort of off-road activities.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff@zina.com
Nice scare tactics, but HR 1925 is just being heard today, no signs are pointing to anything yet. Some version of this has been introduced every year, though not necessarily encompassing Moab, and it never gets through. My question is, if you're this concerned, have you expressed that to your Congessional and Senate representatives?

Now everyone run off and join Tread Lightly. Really. Please do it.

Jeff

In a word, Yes. My rep, Dennis Hastert received a letter from me.

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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kkuntz01
In a word, Yes. My rep, Dennis Hastert received a letter from me.
That's ten words, but who's counting? It's the right answer though. Let your reps know what you, as their employers think.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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kkuntz01 thanks for the info even if it is bad news. as far as leaving it up to a person to choose whats open and whats not, means there will be a massive gate infront of all the trail entrances. please join up with tread lightly, we may have lost moad but hopefully we can save some more trails elsewhere
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 06:11 PM
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As far as I can see each time things like this happen, it happens irrespective of our best efforts. They do not care what we do, say, or try. I personally think it is just time to fight back with everything we have. Yes, maintain responsibility, etc. Carry in, carry out. (Please note: Horses do not carry in/out. They are destructive to all land, and they are not indigenous to the United States.)

There is the option of the needs for the elderly, handicapped and so on to be able to get off road, see the scenery, take pictures, fish, camp, etc. So this is another option. Some states like Monatana will listen if you the people study the trails, show long standing use of them but will not let you go elsewhere.

Cattle is not native, horses,and so on so if they eliminate us, then need to also eliminate them if they are true to their purpose. And Yes, they would like to keep all humans in centralized areas.

We need to act all insincere and syruppy sweet in out attitudes to fit them tooth and nail. In other words "out nice" them. It doesn't matter what truth is, doesn't even matter if you lie, it is the attitude they think.

Yes, I have seen hillsides "destroyed" by bike riders, put off limits and five years latter the land was normal except for the places where there were hoof tracks from before, and they caused poor water run off.

I wish I had pictures of hungry valley from years ago, to compare with now. You would hardly recognize it, land reclaimed. and over grown so that fires burn more freely than before.

Had to rant, sorry, but it is true.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by kkuntz01
Skimming through everything, it looks like many areas are being designated "Wilderness Area." I haven't had time to see specifically what that means...
Wilderness Area = Absolutely nothing with wheels. That includes Jeeps, motorcycles, ATVs, and yes, even mountain bikes.

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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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I copied this over from TTORA forum.... There is a link at the bottom that makes it easy to contact your state representative and let
him know your position on the issue. I and many others on TTORA have already done this. You should too, even if you think
they aren't listening, at least we have tried. Please post a link to this in any other forums that you might be apart of and lets
make sure this thing gets shot down.

Moab Might Be Gone Forever

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copied off Marlin Crawler Forum. just spreading the word

.4wheeloffroad.com/65633...ver/index.html[/url]

Congress to Vote on H.R. 1925 America's Red Rock Wilderness Act This Thursday!

Moab Might Be Gone Forever!

Posted Today 01:35 PM by 4WOR Web Editor

Filed under: Miscellaneous, Jason Gonderman

The Chairman of the Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands of the U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources has scheduled a hearing on October 1 to consider H.R. 1925, America's Red Rock Wilderness Act of 2009.

This legislation -- which will ban off-highway vehicle (OHV) access to public lands to those who live and recreate in
Utah -- was introduced by New York Representative Maurice Hinchey.


However, not a single Representative from Utah is supporting H.R.1925.

Specifically, H.R. 1925 would designate more than nine million more acres as federally protected "Wilderness," and directly affect the Moab, San Rafael Swell and Chimney Rock areas (to name a few) in Utah.

These popular OHV areas represent some of the most important remaining OHV recreation areas in Utah, and are some of the most popular with responsible OHV riders. The proposed Wilderness designation would also make the land off limits to ATV riders, mountain bikers and horseback
riders.

Coming on the heels of the recently enacted Omnibus Public Land Management Act, which closed 2 million acres of public lands, this vast Wilderness bill will take away additional recreation opportunities currently enjoyed by local residents and visitors alike.

The AMA needs your help now to stop H.R. 1925. The fastest way to reach your U.S. Representative is to call them. You can find contact information for your elected officials by entering your zip code on AmericanMotorcyclist.com, clicking on "Rights," then "Issues and Legislation." Additionally, a prewritten e-mail is available for you to send to your Representative immediately by following the "Take
Action" option and entering your information.

Please contact your Representative right away and urge them to oppose H.R. 1925.

It's VERY VERY SIMPLE! Just click here...

http://capwiz.com/amacycle/issues/al...rtid=14061961#

... and you will be taken to the AMA's (American Motorcycle
Association) website. Enter your zip code and a letter will be sent to your representative urging them to vote NO on this bill.

Do it NOW! please


Everybody help this Bill Fail!!!
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