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Death Wobble and bushings ..HELP!!!

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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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I can't drive my Jeep anymore .... IDK if it's the bushings idk if its the bolts...i want to change everything that can possibly affect my daily driving... under 40mph I get the wobble which pisses me off !!!! I'm new to jeep and its more then frustrating ....Now... due to the fact that idk what to do i need your help!!!! What kind of bushings do i need?! my jeep is lifted and idk if i will need a different types of bushings or no ...please help and then laugh at my question !!!!! I cant drive it like this anymore... Are the oem bushings different then the bushing used with a lift kit or a different track bar ?!?! PLease help a newbie !!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 07:22 AM
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Death wobble has just about worn me out. I've gone through planman's list, and I only have 5K miles on the Jeep and found no issues. It's a Mopar 2" lift installed by the dealer and I even had the grade 9 bolts installed. The original dealer found no problems either.

I took it to a different dealer and they said the trackbar from the Mopar lift wasn't installed correctly, but it is still in the shop I don't have details yet. I truly hope they fix it because it makes me super sad to have to consider giving up the Jeep.

Based on the sheer volumes of complaints about this, and my horrible experience, I have decided on the heretical notion that Jeep should switch to independent front suspension. Articulation is not worth having death wobble. I looked at Land Rover forums and they have the same issues with death wobble and it really is inherent to a solid front axel (though maybe Jeep could do some engineering magic to make it far less likely to happen).

Sigh.
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 07:24 AM
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Hello MeAki, do a search for PlanMan here. He has a pretty good write up on the possibilities that it all caused by the track bar bolts to small.
I had this for a 18 months and I spent thousands on trying to fix it. I replaced my upper and lower control arms from the skyjacker lift for Teraflex adjustable ones. I replaced the stock track bar for the Teraflex HD one. For me, it ended up being the upper and lower ball joints. Make sure you get the adjustable uppers. And I replaced the tie rods with the currie system. after doing this, it was close, it still had a small shimmy at 40 mph. It felt like it the DW was just around the corner, trying to come back and say hello again. So, i changed all the stock bolts for the grade 8 bolts ( per PlanMan), but it was still there. I went down and replace all 4 tires with the MTR'S, but it was now at 50 mph. Just this week, I got America's tires to take back the month old MTR'S and they gave me KM2's. No more shimmy. Now we really enjoy driving our JKU again.
Good luck. I know first hand how frustrating it is.
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by blw
Based on the sheer volumes of complaints about this, and my horrible experience, I have decided on the heretical notion that Jeep should switch to independent front suspension.
Sigh.
Good thing Jeep doesn't engineer the Wrangler based on what you decided. I think it's best for you to buy a different vehicle, with IFS or whatever is that you like.
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 09:55 AM
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i went through the same headaches and after replacment of multiple items listed above, it turned out to be wollowed holes on the frame where the control arms connect. I welded in some thick grade 8 washers and the problem was solved. not that this is your problem but its worth checking
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 11:34 AM
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I know about PlanMan posts, read them both...my question is ... If i buy bushings for a 07 jeep will they match my jeep even if its lifted ... do the bushings stay stock even if u change the track bar and have a lift kit ?!? i want to change all the front bushings, like I said im new to Jeep and dont know much :(
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTerminator
Good thing Jeep doesn't engineer the Wrangler based on what you decided. I think it's best for you to buy a different vehicle, with IFS or whatever is that you like.
Death wobble happens far too easily and often. I only have 5K miles and a simple Mopar 2" lift installed at a reputable dealer - how do you mess that up? All the bolts were at 125 ft/lbs. Anyway, hopefully they fix it and I'll let you know what they say is the cause. I hope it is something simple like a defective bushing in the trackbar - I want to be able to rely on my Jeep.

But if not IFS, can Jeep engineer the trackbar mounts out closer to the wheels perhaps, or use beefier components, to reduce the possibility of DW? Come on, its not rocket surgery!
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blw
Death wobble happens far too easily and often.
I can bet 99.99999% of JK owners don't have a DW. And if they had it, it was either because they didn't install the lift right, or they had worn parts that needed to be replaced.

I only have 5K miles and a simple Mopar 2" lift installed at a reputable dealer - how do you mess that up?
I don't know. I installed my 2.5" coil lift myself. That way I know for sure it was done right, or at least how it was done if something isn't right.

All the bolts were at 125 ft/lbs.
If some of the components that can cause DW are worn, it won't matter if bolts are torqued properly. You need to find those faulty components. It's really not rocket surgery! There are a lot of vehicle problems that are way too hard to diagnose, but this is not 1 of them!

Anyway, hopefully they fix it and I'll let you know what they say is the cause. I hope it is something simple like a defective bushing in the trackbar - I want to be able to rely on my Jeep.
If it's a defective bushing, you should be able to tell this yourself. Although, you could always let the dealer fix what they did wrong, only if they won't be charging you anything extra.

But if not IFS, can Jeep engineer the trackbar mounts out closer to the wheels perhaps, or use beefier components, to reduce the possibility of DW? Come on, its not rocket surgery!
What exactly will that do, putting trackbar mounts closer to wheels? They're already pretty close anyway.
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Old Aug 17, 2012 | 08:21 AM
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but can anyone answer my question ?!)))) do the bushings remain the same as dimension even with aftermarket parts( like lift kit track bar etc) or no ?!?
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Old Aug 17, 2012 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MeAki
but can anyone answer my question ?!)))) do the bushings remain the same as dimension even with aftermarket parts( like lift kit track bar etc) or no ?!?
The bushings are the size eitherway.
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