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Saharaunlmtd 04-24-2015 05:04 PM

Rock Gardens & Trac-Lok LSD
 
What is the best way to make use of the factory LSD on the rocks?

Once upon a time before I had one, I thought I read about engaging the e-brake a click or two to maximize its effectiveness. Is this the case?

If so, is it best to do this while navigating difficult terrain or only when tires are spinning?

DJ1 04-25-2015 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Saharaunlmtd (Post 4090448)
What is the best way to make use of the factory LSD on the rocks?

Once upon a time before I had one, I thought I read about engaging the e-brake a click or two to maximize its effectiveness. Is this the case?

If so, is it best to do this while navigating difficult terrain or only when tires are spinning?


If it's an obstacle where you think 1 of your rear wheels might come off the ground, then yes the trick is for a couple of clicks on the e-brake.

Here's me on the Rubicon. 2.5" AEV with beadlocks aired down to about 9-10 psi. Open fronts / LSD rears. Only clicked the e-brake when I felt I'd probably need it otherwise just running it with the e-brake off....

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Saharaunlmtd 04-27-2015 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by DJ1 (Post 4090654)
If it's an obstacle where you think 1 of your rear wheels might come off the ground, then yes the trick is for a couple of clicks on the e-brake. Here's me on the Rubicon. 2.5" AEV with beadlocks aired down to about 9-10 psi. Open fronts / LSD rears. Only clicked the e-brake when I felt I'd probably need it otherwise just running it with the e-brake off.... <img src="https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=608050"/><img src="https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=608051"/>

I read on the internet that AEV doesn't flex so it must be true... Awesome pics! The Rubicon is definitely on the bucket list.

DJ1 04-28-2015 07:38 AM

No problem with my AEV so far as-is. If you want more flex you can always go Metalcloak upper/lower control arms. No need to spend $6k on suspension IMO.

I am running a Synergy sector shaft brace which means you have to run the Synergy track bar as well. So in this case running with AEV was a plus for me since you use the stock track bar with it initially. I just simply replaced the stock track bar with the Synergy one.

If you run another suspension which comes with it's own track bar, most times you aren't able to use it if you plan on running a sector shaft brace kit. So you end up paying extra for something you can't even use and then are left with trying to sell it. Funk dat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFKU_hwj2o

DJ1 04-28-2015 07:44 AM

B&B version :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72CNy9GLq0

Sahara Lee 04-28-2015 02:25 PM

I would think the Brake Lock Differential would kick in and add braking drag to the spinning wheel. That should make the Trac-Lok grab. I know it works that way with my TrueTracs. :dontknow2:

DJ1 04-28-2015 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Sahara Lee (Post 4092354)
I would think the Brake Lock Differential would kick in and add braking drag to the spinning wheel. That should make the Trac-Lok grab. I know it works that way with my TrueTracs. :dontknow2:

It's supposed to. With the e-brake there's no 2nd guessing. To each their own. :beer:

SF Nick 04-28-2015 03:53 PM

I have a Detroit True Trac in the rear with 37" tires & on very step obstacles where a front & rear locker is needed that LSD can not hang. It try's to engage but fails every time I'm going up a step rock ledge even with both tires on the ground. Regular wheeling it does great but in my opinion it's not for the hardcore stuff, big tires, & a heavy asses.

DJ1 04-28-2015 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by SF Nick (Post 4092378)
I have a Detroit True Trac in the rear with 37" tires & on very step obstacles where a front & rear locker is needed that LSD can not hang. It try's to engage but fails every time I'm going up a step rock ledge even with both tires on the ground. Regular wheeling it does great but in my opinion it's not for the hardcore stuff, big tires, & a heavy asses.

Well yeah if you need to use both front & rear lockers of course an LSD by itself most likely won't work lol.

In the meantime, that's what the winch is for and why I run beadlocks. 15 psi to 10 is a big difference on it's own. You can drop to 9 psi without blinking. Here in NorCal, next to Dusy and Fordyce, the Rubicon is as hardcore as it gets so saying an LSD can't handle the hardcore stuff is laughable. Sure you're not hitting the Hammers or Moab every weekend, but what daily driver rig does?

Big tires & heavy asses - those are things you control based on your selections. All aluminum on my rear end and steel up front to help keep the front wheels down. I run BFG KM2's to keep things light. There are lots of hardcore rigs that run aluminum and KM2's. Much depends on your build and more importantly the driver.

Sure LSD has it's limitations but I'm fine with it especially for a Jeep that isn't a dedicated trail rig but is still a very capable rig. I like the challenge off-road and actually prefer a rear LSD for on-road driving.

If I ever get more concerned and/or want to minimize using the winch (although I've never had to use it yet), I'll just throw an ARB or another LSD up front.

SF Nick 04-28-2015 11:59 PM


Originally Posted by DJ1 (Post 4092539)
Well yeah if you need to use both front & rear lockers of course an LSD by itself most likely won't work lol. In the meantime, that's what the winch is for and why I run beadlocks. 15 psi to 10 is a big difference on it's own. You can drop to 9 psi without blinking. Here in NorCal, next to Dusy and Fordyce, the Rubicon is as hardcore as it gets so saying an LSD can't handle the hardcore stuff is laughable. Sure you're not hitting the Hammers or Moab every weekend, but what daily driver rig does? Big tires & heavy asses - those are things you control based on your selections. All aluminum on my rear end and steel up front to help keep the front wheels down. I run BFG KM2's to keep things light. There are lots of hardcore rigs that run aluminum and KM2's. Much depends on your build and more importantly the driver. Sure LSD has it's limitations but I'm fine with it especially for a Jeep that isn't a dedicated trail rig but is still a very capable rig. I like the challenge off-road and actually prefer a rear LSD for on-road driving. If I ever get more concerned and/or want to minimize using the winch (although I've never had to use it yet), I'll just throw an ARB or another LSD up front.

You miss read, I have a ARB up front & had a LSD in the rear & it wasn't up to the task in some cases. I wasn't asking for a dickhead response of how hardcore of a off-roader you are, I don't give a shit. Just stating a fact that a LSD isn't the best thing for rock crawling"garden". No trick to it. I love the fact that you tried to teach me something about 15psi vs 10psi vs 9psi without a eye blink, aluminum vs steel, winching vs running a locker, LSD vs Locker, oh and let's not forget the lesson on how I selected how heavy my Jeep is. Must have missed all this shit while I was building my Jeep. I was just here to state my personal experience to the ops question. Didn't mean to step on your toes. But I did learn that you wheel harder because you are in NorCal, you love your KM2s, your Jeep is a daily driver with beadlocks, & that you are a hardcore off-roader with LSDs that has a winch that's never been used. Real hardcore shit maan. Thanks for the laugh. Sorry for my dickheaded response but you asked for it.


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