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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SwampRunner
When conditions are good for skip, its a party for sure and most bring power legal or not to the party.

I looked at the rig you have online, $60 brand new in the box. Limited to 40 channels but still a decent base line rig.

Couple of questions,

What type of antenna and what length?
Did you match it or have it installed?
Did you surf the channels to find a quieter channel?
Are you using a power mic?

Radios are only as good as the antenna and the setup. Because AM signal is line of sight if you run a short antenna at the back of your jeep you will be very directional on send an recieve. Remember your vehicle is your ground plane and as such being mounted at the back to one side creates issues.

Another thought here is radio upgrade to an AM/FM SSB 40 Channel Radio. This will give you 120 plus channels. Price New is around 145.00.

I run a 102" stainless steel antenna.......cost 13 bucks and will outtalk any baseload or topload antenna in the CB Range.

Just some thoughts from a fellow Canadian
My Uniden 520 has been peaked and tuned,

Swr is near perfect below 1.5 on all channels. I have my own meter

I used to own a Midland SB radio however when I bought my TJ couple years back I had no room for it and I hardly used the SB function since no one I knew had one.

No one else picks up the skip because their radios aren't setup as well as mine, I am surprised their radios work at all sometimes haha.

No power mic, just the one it came with.

The skip only occurred for a short period of time in the morning then went away later in the day.

My dad is a trucker so I have been through a few solar cycles and know what to expect

Actually been thinking of getting a HAM license but just not sure I would use it enough.
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Noxian
My Uniden 520 has been peaked and tuned,

Swr is near perfect below 1.5 on all channels. I have my own meter

I used to own a Midland SB radio however when I bought my TJ couple years back I had no room for it and I hardly used the SB function since no one I knew had one.

No one else picks up the skip because their radios aren't setup as well as mine, I am surprised their radios work at all sometimes haha.

No power mic, just the one it came with.

The skip only occurred for a short period of time in the morning then went away later in the day.

My dad is a trucker so I have been through a few solar cycles and know what to expect

Actually been thinking of getting a HAM license but just not sure I would use it enough.
Thats cool, I always ask because a lot of folks do not understand good CB setup.

I had a Courier Cruiser 23 channel peaked and tuned with a Turner PM on a Formula Beer Can Antenna for my first radio.....................talked to NC skip during a strong DX roll sitting next to Lake Erie.

To ask again what type of antenna and length?

Lots of Hams in my area and they are always on me to write my test and to be honest I do not think I will use it as much as they do. As said previous it gets quite involved and I do not have the time. I need a good radio that I use on the trail and many CB's fit the bill.

The OP was or seemed to be a doom and gloom outlook for CB radios and having been through them with many different rigs in my jeeps along the way during the "cycles" never had issues that could not be overcome by a channel change.

I have always seen Ham as the last communication if the 'End of Days" comes or a way to contact from weather beaten countries once other methods fail. Seems social networks have become the method of democratic change as opposed to military coup. Ham were a small group of dedicated radio folks who kept watch over the world events to let us know when the Iron Curtains blocked our view.

Once the code was gone from the licence more folks seem to jump on. I remember when you needed a licence for CB but now that is gone. Wonder how long before the test for Ham will be gone.........
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 01:46 PM
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I am running a 4' Tunable Firestick 2
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 05:19 PM
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FWIW,Using a 102" antenna is about the best you could go with.
Only problem with them down here in the states, is most clubs dont really like them because of the liability on the trail.
I know guys that run them but have them tied down so the antenna doesnt whip around so much.

So far as the test for ham going away, I dont see that happening being that some of the freqs, from what I understand, we use are on a shared basis with commercial
users and FCC doesnt want ham users to cause interference.

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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SwampRunner
So it's okay to do a smack down on little old CB's...........what in my post was not true?

Again, Hams are awesome...........the next Level............but CB, Citizens Band works just as well if set up right for the needs of most who own Jeeps. The only difference is how much power you can use depending on the licence you obtain.

10/4 good buddy.
First off....I never did the "smack down" on CBs. Why would I as I used to be one for years. It's the only reason I'm a HAM now. For you to say CB works just as well as HAM only shows your ignorance regarding HAM radio. HAM radio is damn near limitless. There are countless venues one can use. Are you forgetting 2m mobiles accessing the repeater systems? Or how about APRS, or ECHO Link??? All of these can be utilized with far more efficiency than 40 channels. Not to mention 20m during the day or 40m at night......waaaaaaay more usable than 11m at damn near anytime during the solar cycle.

Look...your new here I know. And obviously you haven't seen the countless post where I've tried to help CBers. But hey.....if you want to cop an attitude with me because I'm a HAM....go for it. Been there done that....
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SwampRunner

Because AM signal is line of sight
Yes and no.......and you should know that being the "skipland" guy you are. During ground wave propagation or Sporadic E....yes, it pretty much is. But during good propagation an HF "AM" signal will bounce off the atmosphere like an FM, SSB, or CW signal will. It's just a matter of how efficiently it does it.
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Noxian
They were loud and clear and maxed out the LED meter on my Uniden 520, totally over powered any local signals.

its really easy for us to pick up if its skip because most skip the people on the other end will have southern accents Not saying anything bad about having a accent but it very easy to tell if it isnt a local signal most of the time.
See you are experiencing this now and it isn't even the peak of the solar cycle. It doesn't last long because this cycle isn't that strong yet, and may, or may not get that strong.

During the peak of cycle 22 up here we would have the Asians come in all afternoon. All 40 channels were blanketed....solid needle peg. I heard it was mostly the taxi drivers over in Japan and/or the Philippines. With my base antenna I could talk to a local 4 watt mobile CBer for about 3.5 miles and that would be it. Then the propagation would shift and we would get the lower 48, Spanish speaking people and Australia.
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SwampRunner
The OP was or seemed to be a doom and gloom outlook for CB radios and having been through them with many different rigs in my jeeps along the way during the "cycles" never had issues that could not be overcome by a channel change.
Wrong.......I wasn't trying to talk anybody out of their CBs. All I was trying to do was offer up a more efficient means of communication....as well as what can "potentially" happen on the CB freqs. (as Noxian found out) as cycles 24 grows stronger. As I've said before, the way it affects the CB freqs. has a whole lot to do with where you live. Propagation affects different places on the globe differently. If you haven't experienced what I've said then possibly it's because of where you live on the continent. That, or maybe you're running an amp and can talk to the other high powered signals. Plus the fact that you run SSB helps a whole hell of a lot.
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SwampRunner
I have always seen Ham as the last communication if the 'End of Days" comes or a way to contact from weather beaten countries once other methods fail. Seems social networks have become the method of democratic change as opposed to military coup. Ham were a small group of dedicated radio folks who kept watch over the world events to let us know when the Iron Curtains blocked our view.
I guess if that's how you want to view HAM radio then that's your business. But to me, its SO much more than that it isn't even funny.

First and foremost....when it comes to mobile coms, the way I see it, is HAM radio is FAR more reliable than CB when it comes to an emergency...anywhere cell phones won't work. Just the fact that the lower 48 2m repeater system is so large now is a HUGE bonus. Take a 2m repeater that has phone patch access, and you're pretty much talkin' a cell phone "WITH" coverage now. And as far as HF goes, 11m can never, WILL never, compare to 20m during the day, or 40m at night.

Roger that Good Buddy...??? This "know all" is done for now......
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 08:14 PM
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First off....I never did the "smack down" on CBs. Why would I as I used to be one for years. It's the only reason I'm a HAM now. For you to say CB works just as well as HAM only shows your ignorance regarding HAM radio.
Within the legal power use on the little channels we CB'ers get they work just fine if setup is good. As well meaning getting out in that limited world. And Dave I know how skip works.......note the reference to sitting by the lake running a 4 watt radio.

HAM radio is damn near limitless.
True enough, maybe you Hams could help us CB'ers by getting the government to give us lets say 80 channels above and below our little lot of channels in life and maybe up our power level to 8 watts, dead key. You guys would have no issue with that given the limitless abilities you have.

There are countless venues one can use. Are you forgetting 2m mobiles accessing the repeater systems? Or how about APRS, or ECHO Link??? All of these can be utilized with far more efficiency than 40 channels. Not to mention 20m during the day or 40m at night......waaaaaaay more usable than 11m at damn near anytime during the solar cycle.
No Dave, i saw your limitless statement, and again I refer you to my wish list.

Look...your new here I know.
Ahhhhh, the old your new here so be quiet while us elite control the 1's and 0's in the cyber world and wave lengths in the radio world.

And obviously you haven't seen the countless post where I've tried to help CBers. But hey.....if you want to cop an attitude with me because I'm a HAM....go for it. Been there done that....
No Dave I have not seen the countless posts, but as a CB'er I am thankful to all my friends who have gone to Ham for their help and knowledge. I do my best in my little part of the world to help those getting into CB communication also.

So Dave I am not coping anything with you, just trying to justify the good communtication you still can have using a CB during the "cycles" you posted originally on.

Just here to learn about the jeep I enjoy driving with a great communication device called a CB in it.

Again, Ham Radio is Awesome! Just not for everyone just like CB's. As I stated for most Jeepers............Cb's are more than enough.

I see you have 4000+ posts, I will not step into your spot light again.
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