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Mark Doiron 03-11-2010 02:20 AM

Increasing CB Radio Range (Is Illegal)
 
Well, I see that the latest thread on improving CB radio range has been closed. In researching this post, I came across a website that details the fines the locally-based Love's Corporation had to pay for illegally boosting the output of CB radios. The chances of you getting caught? Probably close to zero, but the FCC is targeting places that do the mod's.

I just want to offer up one more reason why it's really not worth it. RF range is a logarithmic function. If you take a 4-watt CB radio and boost it's output to 32-watts, that is not an eight fold gain (32/4). It is a 9-DB gain. If you then put that into the formula for path loss calculation, you will learn that the theoretical range for a legal CB radio is 2.2 miles. The theoretical range for a 32-watt CB radio is 3.7 miles--a mile and half improvement. That's theoretical. Truth is, that assumes perfect line-of-sight with no intervening path loss components (hills, vehicles, buildings, trees, etc). Real life suggests that boosting your radio from 4 to 32 watts will give about a 1/2 mile improvement--on the highway. On the trail, line-of-sight is usually going to determine whether you're heard, not RF power output.

It's illegal. It increases spurious emissions that cause interference with other devices (most notably broadcast TV, but sometimes even cable TV and telephone service). And it provides NO (ZERO, NADA, ZIP!) improvement to hearing the other guy, unless he also chooses to break the law and modify his radio. At the end of the day, modifying a CB radio to "tweak" it's output is a waste of time and money.

If you want to run the numbers yourself, get out your scientific calculators and visit here ...

http://web.arundale.co.uk/docs/ais/AppNote_UHF_VHF_Calc.pdf

AK4Dave 03-11-2010 07:06 AM

One thing that you CAN do legally is get an aftermarket mic. Astatic makes a transistorized handheld that is fantastic. I think the one I had was a M-575. It uses a battery and has a volume and tone control. Tone control is important as you can tailor the tone of your voice. Highs freq. response tend to get out better than low end bassy ones. Audio, by itself, has a whole lot to do with the "talk" power of your radio.

Also....Upper and lower SSB is a far more productive means of communication than noisy AM. Plus most CBs that have SSB tend to modulate up to about 12 watts on peaks.....and that's from a legal off the shelf radio.

Mark Doiron 03-11-2010 09:32 AM

Excellent points, Dave. And, with SSB you can have a narrower passband, which further reduces that noise level. The only downside (well, other than cost): Will your trail buddy have SSB?

jeepersjeep 03-11-2010 10:53 AM

I'm thinking about installing one of the sup'ed up cb's in my Toyota Corolla.:wink:

jpthunder 03-11-2010 11:06 AM

I knew that a tune and peek was illegal, but I didn't realize how little it did for you. I was thinking about it until I read this. good post!:thumbsup:

Mark Doiron 03-11-2010 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by jpthunder (Post 1605799)
I knew that a tune and peek was illegal, but I didn't realize how little it did for you. I was thinking about it until I read this. good post!:thumbsup:

Yes. The tendency is for people to think that an eight-fold boost in a radio that gets 2 or 3 miles down the highway should give 16 to 24 miles of performance. But, it doesn't work like that.

A small aside: I was fixing the RF cable in my Jeep the other day (just installed a new rear bumper) and while I was trying to do a radio check the CB band must have been open. LOL: This too is illegal, but it's hard to resist the temptation to talk to someone four states away. Anyway, I wasn't hearing the distant stations, but obviously others were, because half a dozen channels had people working them. Actually, they were probably being legal. I would hear them ask, "Where are you?" .... "Tampa? Okay, got to find someone closer to talk to; have a nice day!"

Jeff 03-11-2010 02:57 PM

In addition to a better mic, To get the maximum legal range and best reception on any radio or frequency, focus on the details of the antenna installation. A properly installed and tuned antenna is better than twice the power.

GoodysGotaCuda 03-11-2010 03:00 PM

Everyone in our local trail group has a tweaked radio. workin out just fine. What's done is done, we're happy.

HAVOC625 03-11-2010 04:14 PM

I Live about 8 miles from the interstate just had a local shop tune my cb before i couldnt talk to anyone on the interstate at all now i dont have a problem talking that far

AK4Dave 03-11-2010 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mark Doiron (Post 1606115)
but it's hard to resist the temptation to talk to someone four states away.

See....solar cycle 24 is picking up..... Sure wish you were still interested in HAM radio Mark. I bet we'd have some great ragchews. You know it's never too late my friend. I bet you could walk in and pass the General test without studying ....:thumbsup:


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