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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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it seems at this time, our future Jeeps engines will operate on CNG , Gasoline and Diesel fuels made from oil and coal , that feed new types of Gasoline and Diesel/CNG engines. These engines may or may not be supported by hybrid batteries .

Do the members think the future will change our Jeep Wranglers ?





Note CNG is compress natural gas
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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ImmortalityLTD
Sounds pretty cool, but...

What, do want pics of fuel? Quit padding

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ON TOPIC...
Correct me if I'm wrong but right now isn't CNG more expensive than gas or diesel?
It costs me $20+ to fill my 5 gal tank for my grill.

I am biased on this topic, b/c I grew up in a farming community... but I feel that ethanol
is our answer. It is way to volatile to run straight by the current refining methods, but if its
mixed w/ corn oil to lower the flash point then maybe we've got something.

Corn is a renewable resource and everyone knows that, and if we can figure out a way to run it
100%, bye bye to the dependence on the (politically correct) oil controlling countries.
And hello to prosperity to mid-america and the rest of the country!

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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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Ethanol isn't as efficient as gas and you still create Greenhouse gases. Not to mention the damage it has on some seals and metallic parts. Increased wear, gunk buildup, etc. Plus it has an attraction to water, which we all know is really bad for the ICE.

Electricity is probably our best answer. We use it in our satellites and they stay up for quite some time. Solar cells hooked to rechargeable batteries. Its pretty efficient and with the new technologies we are getting today... attainable.
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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4jkx
Ethanol isn't as efficient as gas and you still create Greenhouse gases. Not to mention the damage it has on some seals and metallic parts. Increased wear, gunk buildup, etc. Plus it has an attraction to water, which we all know is really bad for the ICE.

Electricity is probably our best answer. We use it in our satellites and they stay up for quite some time. Solar cells hooked to rechargeable batteries. Its pretty efficient and with the new technologies we are getting today... attainable.
I agree, in its current state it burns too hot. thats why you can only get 10% added to gas.

I am just saying maybe "thicken" it up a bit so it can be used as an alternative, w/o major mods to current model engines.

I am no biochemist, I just feel there has got to be a way to make corn or soy bean oil work.

Rid our dependency on foreign oil then go from there... electric, solar .. or whatever.
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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 01:03 PM
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Chrysler has already built an electric JK. Electric motors have greater low end torque, which is right up the alley for offroad performance. The electric JK, known as the Wrangler EV, can be seen at Jeep.com. The vehicle has a range extender (read gas engine) to get it up to 400 miles range.
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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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Colusa Biomass. Feed cars corn and livestock prices go up.
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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sin52
Colusa Biomass. Feed cars corn and livestock prices go up.
Agree. Food is food.

Biomass energy sources consume valuable food resources. In the end it's still burning "oil", though it is generally a cleaner burn.

Hydrogen propulsion, as it exists today, consumes massive quantities of electricity to produce the fuel (H2). In fact, given current technologies the carbon footprint of H2 is much higher than gasoline-powered vehicles. That assumes that most electricity is still produced by coal or oil fired generating stations.

Solar is still too inefficient to be used exclusively. Also, the byproducts of producing solar cells and disposing of them is still controversial.

Same goes for batteries. The energy to produce current-generation batteries and to safely dispose or recycle actually outweigh the gasoline savings in a hybrid vehicle.

Nuclear power still hasn't addressed the issue of disposal of nuclear waste. It just keeps stacking up. Yucca Mountain is still 3-4 years way, assuming it will not be permanently closed before it is ever opened.

Someday these technologies will converge on a cost-effective, lower pollution alternative. It just ain't reality yet.

What's the point of all of this? Enjoy your Jeep while you can. Future versions might be better, or they might be banned altogether.

As far as the question the OP asked:

Originally Posted by slow2run
Do the members think the future will change our Jeep Wranglers ?
That's like asking if the future changed between the M38 and the JK. Aside from the basic layout (4 wheels, engine in front, etc.) there isn't much resemblance. I can only hope the technology keeps going and growing!
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