Please read!! Extremely important issue
JK Junkie
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Am I able to get in on this even though I'm Canadian??? I saw that it asks for ZIP code, which Canada does not use, (postal code = different) therefore I don't think I would be recognized. I would like to help anyway I can.
JK Junkie
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Sounds good.....cheers...i guess I'll just have to make an address too in the area...no worries dude.....
I do have an American bank Account, I guess i just use the banks address in Washington.
Done...hopefully it makes a difference....I would really like to wheel in this area one day.
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JK Enthusiast
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Then step up and do something about this.
I've started a few threads on this very same issue on this forum. I'm relatively new to the fight so I'll just quote a few guys from my Jeep Club.
I've started a few threads on this very same issue on this forum. I'm relatively new to the fight so I'll just quote a few guys from my Jeep Club.
Originally Posted by truth
It's a common thing, and works like a domino effect. First it's 4x4's, then ATV's. First I've heard bicycles though. That's interesting.
Problem is, the opposition has an overwhelming amount of true data on their side. Where we do not. Many public lands are used and abused by off road enthusiasts of all types who are using the outdoors as thier own personal garbage can, toilet, and junkyard. People see this stuff and document it. They do reasearch and accumulate it over time. After a while their point is almost impossible to argue against. Even if done as responsibly as possible driving off road does damage the environment. The argument becomes, does the enjoyment if a small group warrant the destruction of our national wild lands.
Problem is, the opposition has an overwhelming amount of true data on their side. Where we do not. Many public lands are used and abused by off road enthusiasts of all types who are using the outdoors as thier own personal garbage can, toilet, and junkyard. People see this stuff and document it. They do reasearch and accumulate it over time. After a while their point is almost impossible to argue against. Even if done as responsibly as possible driving off road does damage the environment. The argument becomes, does the enjoyment if a small group warrant the destruction of our national wild lands.
Originally Posted by truth
There is a thing called wildlife and nature. Which has a right to prosper uninhibited by peoples garbage and motorized vehicles. What I haven't heard from the 4x4 community is why they believe they have the right, or should be allowed to drive where they please regardless of environmental repercussions.
Most land that gets closed to OHV's probably should be. Most of it is not maintained by those who use or damage it. It becomes loud, it becomes polluted, and gets damaged in ways that takes the environment years to recover from.
I am a firm believer that the only way our pristine beautiful land will stay that is if human beings stay out of them as much as possible.
Most land that gets closed to OHV's probably should be. Most of it is not maintained by those who use or damage it. It becomes loud, it becomes polluted, and gets damaged in ways that takes the environment years to recover from.
I am a firm believer that the only way our pristine beautiful land will stay that is if human beings stay out of them as much as possible.
Originally Posted by truth
The states do take an active role. So far their role has been to close public land. What percentage of registered voting taxpayers do you honestly believe would support spending tax money to clean, and maintain land destroyed by some guy in a 4x4? I wouldn't. Would you?
Most states don't want to deal with this issue. I know Illinois doesn't. I know because when I served on the board for ILFWDA I spoke to our congress people. To them our view point is kinda silly. "Hey you, let us play with our toys over here. And then you can clean up after us". That's what they hear, and at the root, that's what we're saying.
Most states don't want to deal with this issue. I know Illinois doesn't. I know because when I served on the board for ILFWDA I spoke to our congress people. To them our view point is kinda silly. "Hey you, let us play with our toys over here. And then you can clean up after us". That's what they hear, and at the root, that's what we're saying.
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAric
It is generally more difficult for hikers to drip motor oil and engine coolant. Plus our oversized tires tend to tear up terrain and contribute to soil errosion. AND THEN there is always going to be a jagoff that spends $200 on a beater and gets it stranded in the middle of the woods and leaves it there. When you pay admission at the cliffs, they foot the bill for cleaning all this up as part of the admission cost. They fill back in heavily erroded areas, and even block off parts of the creek for environmental reasons i believe.
I wish we had more places to wheel in illinois, and if everyone was kind and respectful to everyone else and their surroundings, we probably would, but we dont. Sadly everything truth says is correct. So we really need to support our pay-to-play parks or we will have nothing in the near future.
I wish we had more places to wheel in illinois, and if everyone was kind and respectful to everyone else and their surroundings, we probably would, but we dont. Sadly everything truth says is correct. So we really need to support our pay-to-play parks or we will have nothing in the near future.
JK Newbie
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All very well spoken...no matter how many of us 'tread lightly', pack out more than we came with, it's the smaller percentage that gives anything a bad taste. The old 80/20 rule... I really dislike government intrusion and dissipating personal freedoms as much as the next, but until people as a whole rise to a greater level of personal responsibility to stop the craziness, we're all hosed in some fashion.
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JK Freak
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this is our last stand
BUMP trying to keep this up towards the to so ppl can see it. get out get active, its time we change (yeah i'm stealing this idea) america's perseption of the offroad community. the first part of the battle is keeping the legendary Moab OHV grounds
JK Enthusiast
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I visited Moab this spring and can't wait to go back. I sent my email. The forum should have a section devoted just to this topic and other land use issues. I hope more people on this site will see this thread and contact there representative.
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JK Freak
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get on this fast guys our clock is ticking, and its ticking fast. i've got the same thing posted up in the jk talk section. i advise you do it urself, send it to ur family. post it in facebook/myspace status's, then send a mass txt out to the ppl in ur phone about it and where to get the info. keep up the fight! lets put a stop to this pandemic
JK Enthusiast
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get on this fast guys our clock is ticking, and its ticking fast. i've got the same thing posted up in the jk talk section. i advise you do it urself, send it to ur family. post it in facebook/myspace status's, then send a mass txt out to the ppl in ur phone about it and where to get the info. keep up the fight! lets put a stop to this pandemic
Unless many of us have our congressional representatives on speed dial with the offer of a large campaign contributions we face an uphill battle. Hopefully things will work out in our favor, but then maybe they will not.