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3.5” Entry Level Rock Krawler, what else to make it work?

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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by w squared
They're selling kits to meet the demand for lower price points.

You CAN install a 3 inch lift without addressing caster...it's not inherently unsafe...it's just not a good idea.
Then thats what the product description should say. "This product is safe although without caster adjustments your pinion angles and caster will be misaligned resulting in flighty steering and drivetrain vibrations"

Instead it reads

"engineered to provide you with perfect steering corrections so your on highway handling maintains factory characteristics."
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by style_front
Then thats what the product description should say. "This product is safe although without caster adjustments your pinion angles and caster will be misaligned resulting in flighty steering and drivetrain vibrations"

Instead it reads

"engineered to provide you with perfect steering corrections so your on highway handling maintains factory characteristics."
Yup. And Viagra will make your wife into a doe-eyed nympho, Pepsi will make you popular with nubile nineteen year old girls, drinking scotch will make you classy, and owning a VW will make you cool and hipster-ish without the grubby factor.

These and other "truths" brought to you by modern advertising.

Seriously. If an engineer looked at it, they can get away with calling it "engineered". If the wheels don't fall off at 70MPH, they can call it "optimized for a perfect highway driving experience". After all, people still sell cam bolts for off-road vehicles, right? If they were required to be truthful in their advertising, any lift kit with cam bolts would contain the disclaimer:

"Notice: This product will be great for a while, then the rigors of off-road use will loosen the cam bolts causing your caster to change and your life to suck as you struggle to fix the problem. Your mileage may vary."

Advertising's purpose is to separate you from your money so that said money can be used to line the pockets of the manufacturers and their marketing consultants.

The truth is that you get what you pay for. Educate yourself on the issues, do your research about competing products, and make a choice. If you choose a cheap product, understand what you're getting. If you choose an expensive product, understand that you'll have less money left over.

Welcome to 2009.

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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 07:41 AM
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I ended up going with the RK mid arm flex kit. By the time you add the brake lines, and adjustable LCA's, you are better off stepping up from the entry level...

The arms are beefy!

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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by w squared
Yup. And Viagra will make your wife into a doe-eyed nympho, Pepsi will make you popular with nubile nineteen year old girls, drinking scotch will make you classy, and owning a VW will make you cool and hipster-ish without the grubby factor.

These and other "truths" brought to you by modern advertising.

Seriously. If an engineer looked at it, they can get away with calling it "engineered". If the wheels don't fall off at 70MPH, they can call it "optimized for a perfect highway driving experience". After all, people still sell cam bolts for off-road vehicles, right? If they were required to be truthful in their advertising, any lift kit with cam bolts would contain the disclaimer:

"Notice: This product will be great for a while, then the rigors of off-road use will loosen the cam bolts causing your caster to change and your life to suck as you struggle to fix the problem. Your mileage may vary."

Advertising's purpose is to separate you from your money so that said money can be used to line the pockets of the manufacturers and their marketing consultants.

The truth is that you get what you pay for. Educate yourself on the issues, do your research about competing products, and make a choice. If you choose a cheap product, understand what you're getting. If you choose an expensive product, understand that you'll have less money left over.

Welcome to 2009.
I'm still not sure if you are defending the junk product descriptions or not. But I personally am doing me best to read between the lines and ensure a proper lift makes it onto my JK, hence the inception of this thread.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ROKLIMO
I ended up going with the RK mid arm flex kit. By the time you add the brake lines, and adjustable LCA's, you are better off stepping up from the entry level...
In the sponsors forum I saw a thread called "crazy christmas pricing" and I asked teraflex if they could match the parts from that kit and then beat RK's price, waiting on a PM still......
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 08:17 AM
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Well, they beat RK's price. Looks like I will have a teraflex short arm 3 inch kit on my jeep.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by style_front
In the sponsors forum I saw a thread called "crazy christmas pricing" and I asked teraflex if they could match the parts from that kit and then beat RK's price, waiting on a PM still......
TeraFlex only sells at retail price to direct customers. If you want a deal, contact a TeraFlex vendor.

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Well, they beat RK's price. Looks like I will have a teraflex short arm 3 inch kit on my jeep.
I'm assuming that you bought from either Northridge or Bustabizz? TeraFLex makes a point to not step on our vendors toes.

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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TeraFlex
TeraFlex only sells at retail price to direct customers. If you want a deal, contact a TeraFlex vendor.



I'm assuming that you bought from either Northridge or Bustabizz? TeraFLex makes a point to not step on our vendors toes.
Crap, you are right. I didn't even realize who I was talking to, I just assumed (wrongfully) he was a tera flex rep but he is a rep for 4wd. Good call.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by style_front
I'm still not sure if you are defending the junk product descriptions or not. But I personally am doing me best to read between the lines and ensure a proper lift makes it onto my JK, hence the inception of this thread.
I think he's just trying to make the point that "Don't just rely on the marketing brochures to make your decision.", which you are obviously not.

Caster adjustment is one of the places where entry and some higher priced lift kits seem to cut corners to fit a price point.

If you've done your research here you will find many threads about members that opted to buy adjustable LCAs after the fact and the challenges with cam bolts.
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by style_front
I'm still not sure if you are defending the junk product descriptions or not. But I personally am doing me best to read between the lines and ensure a proper lift makes it onto my JK, hence the inception of this thread.
I'm not defending anyone...just explaining that like every other product description in modern life, lift kit descriptions are written by people who's goal is to make you buy their product...not people who's goal is to help you buy the right product for your needs.
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