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Axle Failure & reinforcements

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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 07:55 AM
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Default Axle Failure & reinforcements

I have looked quite a bit for this question to be answered. I have found that people say larger tires put more torque problems on the axles. That was debunked. Anyways I have read a lot of different people having problems with weak axles like the D30. I have front D30 I am putting a lift + tires bumpers whole 9 yards in ~2 weeks. I will be adding Axle gusses + front lower control arm skid plates. What I'm not sure if it's needed is adding the 44 Mag axle inserts. So here is my question.

What exactly causes Axle failure? (breakage) Is it purely impact from coming down on a rock etc. or is it from fatigue?

If you drive very carefully and take trails as quick as needed but as slow as possible is braking a front axle really a big issue?

Thanks if anyone has pictures or personal stories to share about their run ins with axle failures on trails and why it happened. I would greatly apprciate you sharing those stories to inlighten us all. So that problems/mistakes could be avoided.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 08:31 AM
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Beating on your Jeep mercilessly will guarantee broken parts, regardless of what you do to strengthen it.

I am a big fan of smart driving. Drive smart and your axle will be fine. Easy on the skinny pedal where there is lots of traction (rocks). If you are hard on the gas and your tire spits out the rock it is trying to climb, this happen very fast. The tire speed quickly increases and then again decreases as your tire gains traction again. That's how parts break.

I have been wheeling my CJ with a built 360 on 36s for quite a few years with a 30 front end and have yet to break it. Granted, that 30 is a bit different from a JK 30 but it's still a 30. I drive it very hard on soft sand, but in the rock it's another story. Easy does it. Let the tires do the work. I have gotten on it but really try to minimize that in the rocks.

So, easy does it and everything is peachy.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 11:04 AM
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[QUOTE=CJ7nvrstk;1318968]..but in the rock it's another story. Easy does it. Let the tires do the work. I have gotten on it but really try to minimize that in the rocks.QUOTE]

It's been a while since I've broken an axle or anything else on even IFS 4WDs, except for the transfer case on my Z-71. Just lucky and since I work all the time I'm not out there every weekend and dang rare at night.

Broke the hub (??) in my old '77 GMC SB 4WD front end offroad in some rocky hills back in '79, and the mechanic, Ned, an incredibly versatile long long time Chrystler mechanic from the late 60's, asked me, "what tire pressure were you running?"
What pressure, I thought, what a stupid question, they're tires you know, four of 'em.

Seeing that I didn't have a clue, he then proceeded to explain the whole tire pressure thing to me.
Then he took me for a ride in his "Power Wagon", a 426ci Hemi out of a wrecked Challenger powered the beat up orange long bed Dodge 4WD. I wasn't smart enough to know about any of that 4WD stuff, but I knew a Hemi, the Challenger also donated a Hemi 4-speed trans to his project, which sported pretty big differentials with lockers as well.
Drove that beast, but also learned all about tire pressure, mud tires, and breaking stuff.
Ned told me you won't break any less stuff by airing down, the weak links still break, they just don't break nearly as often, if you keep your foot off the gas pedal.

Later, I broke a rear locker, Ned upgraded it for me, then much later the front gears. The rig would still be stuck on a submerged log in the mud near the Ogeechee River (south west of Savannah) if there hadn't been a Jeep with a winch!
Ned replaced the whole front that time, new axles, locker, hoghead, and offered some more advice that "it's good to know what you're driving over".
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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I blew up a Dana 35 rear end in my old lifted xj. It was after a wrangler I was with slid across a hardened snow bank and was about 20 feet from a 200 foot cliff... if he touched his gas it moved further downhill. We jambed our shovels in the snow next to the tires to hold it on the hill...

The xj's axle broke a little after pulling him out.

I was sitting in ice and deep red mud... getting him back up on the trail consisted of one light jeep with no traction pulling against a Jeep that had gravity pulling it towards the abyss. So speed... hard jerking and hitting the tow rope hard evantually got him back on the trail.

The axle didn't fail immediatly... it had to be losened up, though... at the bottom of the mountain a creek had washed out the road we came up (hot spring day and water and mud running everywhere...) when climbingthe 2 foot washed out ledge on the washout ... the ring gear bolts sounded like bullets hitting the rearend as they shot through the cover as the thing came apart. A month later the Jeep had a dana 44 and air locker...
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