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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 10:04 AM
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If I rotate the front end upward so that the pinion points more towards the transfer case, and is more in line with the drive shaft, is that putting more...or less... caster in the front end??
I recently had a four wheel alignment done on my jeep and had every thing within spec. Yesterday I installed my new driveshafts and I have a little bit of vibration that was not there before. I am thinking about adjusting the front arms to rotate the pinion up and make it the same angle as the shaft.
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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If you rotate the axle forward, I believe you would be adding more caster. What setting are you currently at?
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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Raising caster:
shorten the uppers - tilts the top of the axle back
lengthen the lowers - tilts the bottom of the axle forward
Both will tilt the pinion down, increasing caster.

To rotate your pinion up to be in-line with the tcase, you will lengthen the uppers or shorten the lowers. Or a little of both
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nthinuf
Raising caster:
shorten the uppers - tilts the top of the axle back
lengthen the lowers - tilts the bottom of the axle forward
Both will tilt the pinion down, increasing caster.

To rotate your pinion up to be in-line with the tcase, you will lengthen the uppers or shorten the lowers. Or a little of both
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don't go less it will make the steering flighty. try more first
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JEEP THRILLS
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don't go less it will make the steering flighty. try more first
I think he was wanting to rotate forward to decrease pinion angle, so he can't try more castor first.
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 03:06 PM
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The link below will explain castor angle and general front end allignment. With that said increasing your castor angle will improve your pinion angle. There is a comprimise between castor and pinion angles though. As you have noticed if you set your castor to factory settings (+4.2 degrees) you will have a poor pinion angle. If you set your front pinion angle correctly your castor will be bad enough to create a steering problem. A compromise between the 2 is what most are doing. I run 7 degrees castor and deal with slight driveline vibration.

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...-end-alignment
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KenB1010
The link below will explain castor angle and general front end allignment. With that said increasing your castor angle will improve your pinion angle. There is a comprimise between castor and pinion angles though. As you have noticed if you set your castor to factory settings (+4.2 degrees) you will have a poor pinion angle. If you set your front pinion angle correctly your castor will be bad enough to create a steering problem. A compromise between the 2 is what most are doing. I run 7 degrees castor and deal with slight driveline vibration.

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...-end-alignment
Are you sure of that?
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kenb1010
the link below will explain castor angle and general front end allignment. With that said increasing your castor angle will improve your pinion angle. There is a comprimise between castor and pinion angles though. As you have noticed if you set your castor to factory settings (+4.2 degrees) you will have a poor pinion angle. If you set your front pinion angle correctly your castor will be bad enough to create a steering problem. A compromise between the 2 is what most are doing. I run 7 degrees castor and deal with slight driveline vibration.

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...-end-alignment
if you have driveline vibrations at any level you are sitting on a time bomb.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by KenB1010
The link below will explain castor angle and general front end allignment. With that said increasing your castor angle will improve your pinion angle. There is a comprimise between castor and pinion angles though. As you have noticed if you set your castor to factory settings (+4.2 degrees) you will have a poor pinion angle. If you set your front pinion angle correctly your castor will be bad enough to create a steering problem. A compromise between the 2 is what most are doing. I run 7 degrees castor and deal with slight driveline vibration.

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...-end-alignment
So, is that +7 degrees castor? And does that point the pinion more upwards towards the transfer case?
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Toyotafreak1965
So, is that +7 degrees castor?
No, that is '+7 degrees' as shown on the angle finder you put under the C's. It may equal 7 degrees as shown on an alignment rack, but don't count on it, as the angle finder measures straight lines and the rack measures an arc of some type.

The angle finder measurement is just an easy way to get you in the ballpark and let's you make sure that both sides are the same.

Try this one also
http://www.trailduty.com/temp/pinion_angle.pdf



And does that point the pinion more upwards towards the transfer case?
Depends. Put the angle finder on the c's and see where you are.

Raising the pinion angle = lowering the caster = flightier steering

You have to find some balance between flightyness and driveline vibes that you can live with...

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