Coating bare metal Poison Spyder equipment
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These businesses say this as a safety net for themselves. They don't want customers coming in blaming them later when they have rust on bare spots. That's pretty easy to figure out.
Rust will not spread under a properly adhered powdercoat. It is electrostatically adhered to the surface in order to bond on a much smaller level if you will.
It isn't possible for rust to spread underneath a powdercoat unless the surface wasn't cleaned properly or the coating wasn't cured properly.
I say science because yes scientifically a powdercoat is stronger.
It's no harder to touch up a powdercoat gash than it is paint. Just spray some similar paint over it if you need to. Obviously you can't touch up with powdercoat really. I mean I suppose you could, but it would be pretty not worth it. Plus they'd probably just want to redo the whole piece.
Rust will not spread under a properly adhered powdercoat. It is electrostatically adhered to the surface in order to bond on a much smaller level if you will.
It isn't possible for rust to spread underneath a powdercoat unless the surface wasn't cleaned properly or the coating wasn't cured properly.
I say science because yes scientifically a powdercoat is stronger.
It's no harder to touch up a powdercoat gash than it is paint. Just spray some similar paint over it if you need to. Obviously you can't touch up with powdercoat really. I mean I suppose you could, but it would be pretty not worth it. Plus they'd probably just want to redo the whole piece.
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And as far as "reading into" what he said....what other conclusion would you draw from what he said?
Reading into things is how points are made and taken sometimes. Negative connotations aren't automatically attached to the phrase.
Reading into things is how points are made and taken sometimes. Negative connotations aren't automatically attached to the phrase.
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From: Bunnlevel, NC
These businesses say this as a safety net for themselves. They don't want customers coming in blaming them later when they have rust on bare spots. That's pretty easy to figure out.
Rust will not spread under a properly adhered powdercoat. It is electrostatically adhered to the surface in order to bond on a much smaller level if you will.
It isn't possible for rust to spread underneath a powdercoat unless the surface wasn't cleaned properly or the coating wasn't cured properly.
I say science because yes scientifically a powdercoat is stronger.
It's no harder to touch up a powdercoat gash than it is paint. Just spray some similar paint over it if you need to. Obviously you can't touch up with powdercoat really. I mean I suppose you could, but it would be pretty not worth it. Plus they'd probably just want to redo the whole piece.
Rust will not spread under a properly adhered powdercoat. It is electrostatically adhered to the surface in order to bond on a much smaller level if you will.
It isn't possible for rust to spread underneath a powdercoat unless the surface wasn't cleaned properly or the coating wasn't cured properly.
I say science because yes scientifically a powdercoat is stronger.
It's no harder to touch up a powdercoat gash than it is paint. Just spray some similar paint over it if you need to. Obviously you can't touch up with powdercoat really. I mean I suppose you could, but it would be pretty not worth it. Plus they'd probably just want to redo the whole piece.
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From: DFW
By that same logic you shouldn't spend hundreds on parts you're going to just bang into rocks either. That's just not very sound logic there at all.
right, I should have just stayed with a dana 30.
As demonstrated and mentioned, powdercoat is far superior in durability to any paint or anything sprayed from an aerosol can. And I highly doubt you sandblasted your parts before painting them also which means that you're two levels below the adherence of powdercoat.
never said it wasnt superior. my jeeps not winning any car shows.
Saying that any aerosol spray coating is equivalent to a powdercoat is just factually incorrect. And that is what you've said by saying it doesn't matter what paint you have (I assume you meant coating in general not what type of paint(laquer vs enamel etc))
you make it sound like rust is attacking my jeep and at any moment it is going to fall apart.
Let's not play the "I hit my stuff harder than you do" game because that's ignorant.
but its true
The fact is that powdercoat is more durable. It's science. Not opinion. Also rust spreads under paint and bedliner and can't spread under powdercoat. So all those cover ups you're doing are just covering rust that's spreading around.
you live (and I used to live) in Texas, wtf is rust?
In the end your rig is your rig, that's why I said no offense to anyone, to each his own, but fact is also fact. Paint is not equal to powdercoat in many ways.
Yes, it is. Until you ruin your $200 powdercoat job.
right, I should have just stayed with a dana 30.
As demonstrated and mentioned, powdercoat is far superior in durability to any paint or anything sprayed from an aerosol can. And I highly doubt you sandblasted your parts before painting them also which means that you're two levels below the adherence of powdercoat.
never said it wasnt superior. my jeeps not winning any car shows.
Saying that any aerosol spray coating is equivalent to a powdercoat is just factually incorrect. And that is what you've said by saying it doesn't matter what paint you have (I assume you meant coating in general not what type of paint(laquer vs enamel etc))
you make it sound like rust is attacking my jeep and at any moment it is going to fall apart.
Let's not play the "I hit my stuff harder than you do" game because that's ignorant.
but its true The fact is that powdercoat is more durable. It's science. Not opinion. Also rust spreads under paint and bedliner and can't spread under powdercoat. So all those cover ups you're doing are just covering rust that's spreading around.
you live (and I used to live) in Texas, wtf is rust?
In the end your rig is your rig, that's why I said no offense to anyone, to each his own, but fact is also fact. Paint is not equal to powdercoat in many ways.
Yes, it is. Until you ruin your $200 powdercoat job.
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If you have the money, powdercoat it, professionally paint it whatever.. It's your Jeep. I painted my Poison Spyder sliders and front bumper myself so I wouldn't worry about scratching it etc. I took my time and it came out very good for the price.
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Just throwing an idea in: if you don't care about getting a matching or a specific color/finish (if POR-15 black is fine for instance) find a powdercoat outfit about to do some industrial large job like new building handrails and fences and have them throw your stuff in - time and cost to them for your stuff is negligible re: paint and time and price can be negotiated down a lot, especially if the negotiations involve beer from a brewer down the street.
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Its all good fellas. I personally will not be spraying anything I spend thousands of my hard earned dollars on with a $7.00 rattle can from Home Depot.
BUT
That doesnt mean that its no Ok for anyone else to. If you have the money, powder-coating for me is the ONLY way to go. Had I spent significantly less on these parts, I may have done exactly that, but even then I have no sandblasting equipment and ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about paint or powder-coating at all, knows that prepping the material makes 100% of the difference between an ok appearance that will likely scratch off, and look like shit in a matter of a few uses, and a result that not only will last years, it will last years of abuse with minimal damage.
Nothing, including powder-coat is perfect, and even at its best, its going to get scratched up. BUT the difference for me, is that unlike paint, the molecular bond of powder-coat is SO much stronger, that its worth the money to have it done right when expensive new parts are being used.
The bottom line is this:
- If you have the money to powder-coat, do it. Its a way better finish in the end.
- If you dont have the money to powder-coat, prep it yourself, and paint it yourself. Its just more upkeep, but if you dont have the extra cash, you dont have it.
Simple as that.
That is just my opinion only. Your mileage may vary.
BUT
That doesnt mean that its no Ok for anyone else to. If you have the money, powder-coating for me is the ONLY way to go. Had I spent significantly less on these parts, I may have done exactly that, but even then I have no sandblasting equipment and ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about paint or powder-coating at all, knows that prepping the material makes 100% of the difference between an ok appearance that will likely scratch off, and look like shit in a matter of a few uses, and a result that not only will last years, it will last years of abuse with minimal damage.
Nothing, including powder-coat is perfect, and even at its best, its going to get scratched up. BUT the difference for me, is that unlike paint, the molecular bond of powder-coat is SO much stronger, that its worth the money to have it done right when expensive new parts are being used.
The bottom line is this:
- If you have the money to powder-coat, do it. Its a way better finish in the end.
- If you dont have the money to powder-coat, prep it yourself, and paint it yourself. Its just more upkeep, but if you dont have the extra cash, you dont have it.
Simple as that.
That is just my opinion only. Your mileage may vary.
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Its all good fellas. I personally will not be spraying anything I spend thousands of my hard earned dollars on with a $7.00 rattle can from Home Depot. BUT That doesnt mean that its no Ok for anyone else to. If you have the money, powder-coating for me is the ONLY way to go. Had I spent significantly less on these parts, I may have done exactly that, but even then I have no sandblasting equipment and ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about paint or powder-coating at all, knows that prepping the material makes 100% of the difference between an ok appearance that will likely scratch off, and look like shit in a matter of a few uses, and a result that not only will last years, it will last years of abuse with minimal damage. Nothing, including powder-coat is perfect, and even at its best, its going to get scratched up. BUT the difference for me, is that unlike paint, the molecular bond of powder-coat is SO much stronger, that its worth the money to have it done right when expensive new parts are being used. The bottom line is this: - If you have the money to powder-coat, do it. Its a way better finish in the end. - If you dont have the money to powder-coat, prep it yourself, and paint it yourself. Its just more upkeep, but if you dont have the extra cash, you dont have it. Simple as that. That is just my opinion only. Your mileage may vary.