Originally Posted by Tag

Well in theory the way to make more power is to have cooler more dense air but think about it most cold air intakes still draw air from under the hood which is where hot air is. Unless your drawing air from outside the engine compartment you will never see any increase in power.

The theory of cold air making more power is true but as demonstrated in the video even if you draw air from directly outside the engine bay it will still never create any noticeable difference in power or fuel economy.

As for your comment about the filter being better, I have to personally disagree. What makes them better then a paper element, just because k&n says its better does that make it better? Remember all these companies are trying to take your money and will feed you lies to take it. Watch this video they test drop is
POD Filters Mythbusted - YouTube

Originally Posted by GiggityGiggity

Im not sure why, and to be honest, dont really care but I call BS on anyone who thinks stock is always better than aftermarket. Sure there are times where stock is better but intake and exhaust are not necessarily two of those areas. Since the inception of the automobile hot rodders and off roaders alike have swapped out exhaust and intakes for REAL HP gains that have been DYNO AND RACE TRACK PROVEN. Obviously the bigger the displacement, and the more restrictive the OEM set up, the more room for gain. Also, engineering has come a long way over the years so OEMs are getting better and there are sometimes less gains to be had BUT that doesnt mean there arent improvements to be had with CAIs. I too have been in the muscle car world for over 20 years with Corvettes and Camaros, Mustangs and Mopars and never has an OEM set up out performed stock, NEVER. Not even on my old honda. HOWEVER, my current Z06 had PERFROMANCE OEM titanium mufflers that were purposefully designed to flow for performance on the race track as well as the street, obv they flow better than base Corvette mufflers which is part and parcel to the extra hp gains the Z06 has over the base vette along with other OEM upgrades like slightly larger cam etc... I also installed a CAI and noticed significant improvement in throttle response and drive ability on my Z06 over OEM. So here is the key, an intake alone wont net you gobs of hp or tq. IT WILL smooth out the air flow going into the engine thus resulting in REAL WORLD gains you may not see on the dyno or feel in your butt going down the 1/4 mile. OEM intakes have unnecessary bends and baffles that reduce or restrict air flow ON PURPOSE for fuel economy and quietness. Anytime you can smooth out and/or increase the air flow into an engine you WILL notice better shifting and throttle response and can likely hold a gear a little longer as a result. Its not about a Dyno, its about the feel and response after the mod is complete. This actually proves that CAI's work to help improve drivability. Anyone who argues this does not have real world experience with these upgrades and are jumping on the bashing bandwagon. If you have a manual 3.6 you know how finicky the throttle is, try dropping in an CAI and see and feel the diff, then come here and tell people that CAI are worthless. The OEM intake runner is major contributor to the finicky throttle on my manual 3.6 and I have played with it enough times to have figured out that Chrysler did something not entirely correct there. OEMs arent perfect, why do you think they keep coming out with improvements to their lines ups including tweaks resulting in HP/Tq and drivability gains including fuel economy to same the drive trains that have been in place for a few years already? Hello. McFly?

So to summarize this, if you are looking for massive hp/tq gains, CAI's wont accomplish that. If you are looking to improve drivability, throttle response, engine/exhaust note, and just make the commute slightly more pleasurable, CAIs are worth the money all day any day. If you are worried about water ingestion, what do you care? You want a snorkel anyway cause believe the OEM set up isnt going to stop water from entering your engine anyways. And this nonsense argument about how the OEM sits up 2" higher than aftermarket etc... is just that, nonsense. Like nobody has ever ingested water with an OEM set up before, you are arguing over inches? Thats why they make snorkels, for people worried about water ingestion. Most guys running a CAI dont care about that which is why they went CAI in the first place.

Ive noticed that after a year on this forum, many people like to think improvements with CAI are strictly related to dyno proven hp/tq gains. You could not be more wrong. There is much more too it and for those who have CAIs and have said they noticed certain improvements in drivability and have had to take the brunt of someone with no experience call BS on you, they obv did not read you post or care to learn something new about the additional benefits of CAIs which are non dyno related.

And since I have dyno experience I will also say, they dyno isnt perfect either. Why? oh I dunno cause it doesnt exactly replicate the real world? Dynos are more of a tuning device, a measuring stick if anything, once you pull your dyno runs and are satisfied you should be going for a street tune. thats where REAL WORLD stuff comes into play and how you really dial in a tune and where you TRULY see gains in the mods you performed. Thats where the CAI will shine. On the street, not the dyno. But anyone with experience would know this already.