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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 01:00 PM
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Default Death wobble

Just wondering if anyone has been having trouble putting on Rubicon Express lift and 35 inch tires. I have a terrible shake in the steering now any suggestions on a fix.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 01:19 PM
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First off welcome to the forum. Next time post in the modified section.

Did you just get the 35's put on?? Only reason I ask is because once you go 35" and up they get harder to balance out. I have a little shake between 55 and 60 mph then it goes away.

Also you might want to retourqe the front end were you had it apart. Just make sure it is on the ground with all the weight of the jeep on all 4 tires.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 03:03 PM
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Does it look like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiv23dLhMY

If not you don't have death wobble.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellbound13
Does it look like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiv23dLhMY

If not you don't have death wobble.
Thanks Hellbound for showing my video.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by planman
That video is infamous. More than 32k views on youtube.

I have done DW easy diagnosis and fix posts on 3 different forums with at least 5k views referencing that video.

Since every episode of DW potentially causes further damage (wallowed out bolt holes, bad ball joints, cracked or broken welds, broken rod ends, etc.), I have been curious to know if you ended up ripping off a trackbar bracket or something when you repeated the DW on purpose for the video.
Are the control arm bolt holes wallowing out just as bad as the track bar hole being wallowed? I have a couple that are..
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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Look like the OP disapear after his first post..

Maybe we are too technical.. or too straight-to-the-point..


Last edited by MasterG; Mar 25, 2010 at 09:28 PM.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellbound13
Are the control arm bolt holes wallowing out just as bad as the track bar hole being wallowed? I have a couple that are..
It is actually potentially worse because the longitudinal loads from acceleration and braking are larger and more frequent. It will readily impact the driveshaft and Caster angles.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by spinlock
It is actually potentially worse because the longitudinal loads from acceleration and braking are larger and more frequent. It will readily impact the driveshaft and Caster angles.
Well looks like I will have to weld more washers. Dont understand why all these holes are wallowing when I tighten everything every 100K. Kinda shitty that Jeep does not use shouldered bolts and the holes design of their vehicle falls apart if a few holes wallow.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:00 AM
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I went to the Jeep dealrship in my neck of the woods the other day and was told to buy a heavy duty steering stabilizer. Everything thing on my front end is torqued to spec and I have no visible cracking in any weld and there is zero play in my tires. They told me that even though I had modified suspension if my ball joints were bad they would replace them under warranty as they should. But they explained that the soul purpose of a steering stabilizer is to eliminate bump steer.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RED_RUBI_07
I went to the Jeep dealrship in my neck of the woods the other day and was told to buy a heavy duty steering stabilizer. Everything thing on my front end is torqued to spec and I have no visible cracking in any weld and there is zero play in my tires. They told me that even though I had modified suspension if my ball joints were bad they would replace them under warranty as they should. But they explained that the soul purpose of a steering stabilizer is to eliminate bump steer.
The steering stabilizer seems to be a controversial and some times misunderstood component of the steering system. Some think its just baggage and remove it completely, while others think its wonderful and add an extra one or two.

The reality is it is a shock absorber that is there to add dampening to the steering system to reduce/minimize unwanted motion of the tie rod. But like any damper, it has to be selected to only dampen "unwanted" motion. Bump steer is one those unwanted motions.

The problem is that some (usually shops) want to use it as a band aid to cover up problems caused by steering geometry issues or fault joints.
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