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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 07:50 PM
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Stock DS are not a problem. CV style need to be aligned.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhines
Stock DS are not a problem. CV style need to be aligned.
So why is a new front driveshaft required at 4+" of lift? Sincere question...
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MOKOS
So why is a new front driveshaft required at 4+" of lift? Sincere question...
Not 'required', but past experience from a lot of people shows that as you lift higher, the likelihood of loosing a driveshaft increases. Some with as little as 2.5" or so are losing them, and others with 4" or more are still running stockers. Just depends on the specific setup and use.

Do yourself a favor and make a habit of crawling underneath and checking the joints at both ends of both driveshafts. You are looking for grease coming out of the joints, and a ring of grease across the undercarriage above the joint.

Some considerations:
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2door or 4door
Auto or manual
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All onroad or max flex offroad
And the great equalizer - luck
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 05:48 AM
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Do yourself a favor and make a habit of crawling underneath and checking the joints at both ends of both driveshafts. You are looking for grease coming out of the joints, and a ring of grease across the undercarriage above the joint.
yup, good advice- already doing that pretty often. I know they're not likely to last that long.
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MOKOS
So why is a new front driveshaft required at 4+" of lift? Sincere question...
My understanding is that is an auto transmission issue. Has to do with interference due to oem driveshaft diameter. Aftermarket driveshafts have smaller diameter. I have a manual tranny with 4" lift. I changed the rear shaft and rotated my axle. Front is oem with no problems.
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dmhines
My understanding is that is an auto transmission issue. Has to do with interference due to oem driveshaft diameter. Aftermarket driveshafts have smaller diameter. I have a manual tranny with 4" lift. I changed the rear shaft and rotated my axle. Front is oem with no problems.
ah, I have a manual 2dr. I'll replace my rear DS first and see how it drives. Thanks for the note.
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dmhines
My understanding is that is an auto transmission issue. Has to do with interference due to oem driveshaft diameter. Aftermarket driveshafts have smaller diameter. I have a manual tranny with 4" lift. I changed the rear shaft and rotated my axle. Front is oem with no problems.
That is the big boot in the middle of the front shaft that covers the slip joint (where the two halves of the shaft slide in and out). As long as you keep it semi-clean and greased, losing that boot is not a big deal. You will notice that none of the aftermarket shafts have a boot there.

The bigger problem is if you have enough height and flex, the driveshaft may contact the corner of the tranny hard enough to split the lip on the pan. I have seen a lot of posts about ripped boots, but relatively few with damage to the corner of the tranny. Flex it and check to see how close you are.

The joints at the tcase are generally the biggest issues...
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynatrac
Any angle you use will be a compromise and there really isn't a good angle. If you make the DS angle decent, steering will be very flightly. Our company 2dr JK has our older std caster PR and handling is barely adequate with a 4" lift. The DS angle is a real priority. Too much angle can and will lead to early DS failure and worse. The t-case front output shaft bearing DOES NOT like the added angle that you have if you retain the stock 4* of caster after a lift. This is one of the reasons that our ProRock Unlimited housing has been so popular. The added caster in our housing is the ONLY way to correct the caster issue without cutting and turning the end forgings (the 'C's) on the stock housing.
Do you mean that the bearing doesn't like the stock 4 degrees of caster after a lift is installed?

I put a teraflex 3 inch lift and added front lower control arms I put my caster at 3 degrees because from what I've read less caster = more pinion angle which makes the t-case and drive shaft happier.

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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowJK
Do you mean that the bearing doesn't like the stock 4 degrees of caster after a lift is installed?

I put a teraflex 3 inch lift and added front lower control arms I put my caster at 3 degrees because from what I've read less caster = more pinion angle which makes the t-case and drive shaft happier.

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So, how does it handle now with 3 degrees of castor?
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 07:44 AM
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Ok, now I'm worried. My front driveshaft has crapped out and I have a Coast 1310 on order. I have a 4" lift now, and I'm running around 6 degrees of caster. I was planning to take it down to 5 degrees of caster, but after reading this that still won't be enough. I have driven the JK with 4 degrees of caster, and thats not going to work. My wife drives this some, and she will be complaining if it's all over the road. I don't have the cash for a different axle, nor do I have the cash for a T-case explosion. Now I'm thinking I should go down to a 2.5" lift and ditch the 4" lift. Am I over reacting, or should I seriously consider a smaller lift?
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