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Old 08-19-2009, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by A/C Guy
You are comparing apples to oranges here. Your problem was due to the input voltage; a primary side issue. They are talking about the secondary side; output side. A coil is a transformer. The total output is measured in KVA. Going to 0 ohm wires will not short out or over load the coil. The spark still has to make the jump across the spark plug gap, that is enough resistance to limit the load on the coil. The only drawback to 0 ohm wires is you will get radio interference. Just like the other post stated. The engineers know the only way to stop the static interference is to add a resistor. That is why they haven't and won't call back. That is also the reason car manufacturers always use cheap quality, high resistance wires; they are quieter, no RF issues. Straight wires are cheaper to make, but you will always get RF static.
Yes you are correct that my example of primary voltage was not exactly the same, even though the end result would be the same. A ignition coil is basically an AC transformer(I know its in a DC circuit, or is it?). Lowering the resistance on the secondary will cause a higher KVA draw through the coil. To measure a transformers impedence or resistance to power flow, you usually short out the secondary and raise the primary voltage till you get rated current. On distribution transformer for example its about 5-10% of rated voltage. Now with that in mind if your short the secondary and applied rated voltage to the primary you will get many times rated current on the secondary and if left on will very quicky destroy the transformer.

Yes there is a certain "Resistance" for lack of a better word, at the spark gap. However once the spark ionizes the air and jumps the resistance will drop to practically nothing. At this point with "Zero" resistance wires there is nothing limiting the amount of current that will be allowed to flow as the field in the coil collapses. This will cause the spark to burn hotter, with more energy, and maintain longer. This is where the performance gains come from. You can't get more power at the plug without pulling that extra power though the coil.

The only question is how well built is the stock coil. Can it handle the extra power draw? Can't answer that without the design Data of the coil. My gut feeling is it won't cause it to fail outright. However it will most likely shorten its life by a few thousand miles.
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what is the part number for these wires and where can they be purchased
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Originally Posted by derff96963
Yes you are correct that my example of primary voltage was not exactly the same, even though the end result would be the same. A ignition coil is basically an AC transformer(I know its in a DC circuit, or is it?). Lowering the resistance on the secondary will cause a higher KVA draw through the coil. ....
But it can never exceed the total KVA of the input side, so failure is not an option.
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Originally Posted by roguejk
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I don't give a shit who makes what, I'm leavin my ignition ALONE. After the E3 plugs settin codes, I'm done in that area. I'm leavin mine stock.
Old 08-31-2009, 01:47 PM
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FYI, When I ordered my wires, the price in the shopping cart changed to $79.95. Finish the order and then immediately call their customer service to fix it. They are aware of the programming problem and they fix the prices immediately and charge you the proper amount when the product ships. Also, they are giving free shipping on those wires.
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Originally Posted by A/C Guy
But it can never exceed the total KVA of the input side, so failure is not an option.
What is stopping the extra energy at the input side?

I work with transformer for a living (I am an Electrical Engineer) and you can very easily pull more KVA through a transformer than its rated for. The only limit is the impedance of the coil. The impedance would have to be 100% or 1 per unit to limit the KVA at rated voltage. I just don't see how that would make any sense.
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I went to that website " carparts.com " and it said this product not available for your vehicle.
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Originally Posted by BadTime
I tend to doubt the gains from this kind of stuff, but I am surprised at the resistance variation in the plug wires. That would truly have to be some low quality wire. Any chance you were not getting good measurements?
i was always told in trade school that 7500ohms per foot of wire is the most you want to see any more and its time for new ones.
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Originally Posted by D'sjk
They are on 4wheelparts and or 4wd
Thanx brother, found em at 4wd.com


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