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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Go to You tube and do a search for HHO. There's lots or people trying their luck at hydrogen.
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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Don't take it personal, just making fun of the thread like said before. The whole hydrogen generator under the hood thing is being made fun of on every Jeep forum I frequent. There are no miracle cures.
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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If you want the palns to make your own I have them and will email them to you for free to read and tryout your own it has the parts list to go out to your local hardware store and tells you how to make everything needed to make your own. I don't recomend using straight HHO in your engine becasue you would need Stainless Steel internals to prevent rust from the byproduct of Hydrogen which becomes water vapor after the hydrogen burns. So yeah if you are interested just let me know I will send you the PDF file and the best thing FREE OF CHARGE. No scam here cause I am not asking for any money. the man who designed the generator for Browsn Gas or HHO William Power wanted it to be free so either spend 50someodd dollars on line or get it for free from me. and my personal email is JDRozsi@hotmail.com
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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Go to eatonlab.net
This guy is about 15 miles from me. On the local news today, he claimed his TJ went from 16 to 22 mpg.
There is no way to verify this without being there to see a tankful of fuel run through it.
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeyfl
i was just being a smartass.


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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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That guy is quite funny. Well anyways it does work to an extent However you would need to lean the fuel mixture you are currently running and in doing that you will need some type of programable performance chip to run in your vehicle. Place the HHO gas line in your intake after the mass air flow meter and then connect the two wires that go to the hho generators leads to come on when you start the engine or use a toggle switch in conjustion as to turn off the generator while the vehicles key is in the ACC poition. As for acutal gains I nor can anyone say what your vehicle will make. As for the price it all depends on how you will make it or even buy it off line. do some google searches on Hydrogen garage, HHO water4gas and so on. as I stated above I do have plans for on that I will gladdly send to you email for one low price of nothing.... Yes I mean FREE.... lol well anyways I will be trying to make one for my Jeep not that it really matters or anything but yeah just to see first hand... My email addy is JDRozsi@hotmail.com
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 07:28 PM
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Mutts08JK....
Friend of mine said he was going to build one soon. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Thanks.....
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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Although I do not believe an HHO system will not work in a vehicle, and I would not even begin to think about installing one in the new JK, I got tired of hearing all this BS from people so two co-workers and myself built a system while at work.
I'm an electrician by trade as is my co-worker. The other is a machinist.
Using a few simple components, and some discarded items at work we built an HHO system.
We started with two plates using a 12V auto battery as the power source. After about 20 minutes we did get some hydroben bubbles, although not many. We determined a two plate system would not produce enough hydrogen to be of any consequence, so we increased our system to 6 plates. This time we got hydrogen bubbles pretty quickly, however after about 10 minutes, the 10G wire we used got very hot. At that point we shut the system down. We increased the wire size to 8 gauge, and increased our plates to 8. In addition we increased our containment tank to a 2qt size. We did get a good amount of hydrogen, however we found that the battery was draining rather quickly. We ended up running an automotive alternator to replenish the battery, using a lathe running at about 2000RPm's as the driver.
We had our system running pretty good, however the #8 wire was getting hot so we increased the size to #6. This ran fine, and we did get enough hudrogen to most likely assist in powering a small engine at idle.
We continued running the system, burning off the hudrogen we were producing. While running our system, one of our chemical engineers who is a bit of a motorhead came into the shop. He knew what we were doing and made some comments about HHO, both good and bad points. One thing he did mention was the fact that water vapor is the byproduct of burning hydrogen. The more hydrogen that has been burned in a given area, the more water vapor will remain. With that he said good luck, smiled and left.
We begain to think about it and, and although we had a system that was making hydrogen, we all wondered what would eventially happen inside the combustion chamber of a gasoline engine subjected to continous burning of hydrogen. Would the water vapor remain in the cylinders only to turn to pure water after the engine is shut down and cools.
I can now say that an HHO system does in fact produce hydrogen.
I will also say that to produce enough hydrogen to be of any benifit, the water containment tank must be large enough to hold a sufficient amount of water so that the plates do not overheat. In addition the entire system must be tight enough so that the hydrogen will not escape during it's travel to the intake manifold and on into the combustion chamber.
And what of the water vapor that will be left behind once the hydrogen is burned??
As it stands, I will not, anythime in the near future be adding an HHO system to the new JK. It's just to much of a risk for possibly a 1-2MPG increase, if it even produces that.
I'm trying to talk one of the co-workers who aided in putting together the system to install it in his John Deer. He is somewhat leary about though.
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 01:11 PM
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Lorrel,

Keep in mind, your JK already produces water vapor in the combustion chambers as evidenced by the water dripping from your tailpipe.
Also, it is not liquid until it cools off in the exhaust pipe. Until then, it is at last vapor, and most likely super heated dry steam.
You can get an idea of how much water is produced by watching how fast the water in the generator depletes.
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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With the Hydrogen being a supplement addative it will not harm the engine any. The exhaust is already Stainless steel so after it leaves the cumbustion chamber I have no worries. As for the Valves I have no idea what they are made of besides probably cast. to bad they aren't stainless as well or even better yet Titanium. Well anyways the mineute amount of water vapor that does exit through the heads wouldn't harm them being they are Aluminum so the only thing I would really worry about is the valves rusting a lil if I were to use the HHO system more than to supplement the fuel. Well Good Luck. and as always if any one is interested I have a set of plans and detailed info on the HHO generator for free. You can contact me at JDRozsi@Hotmail.com
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