Although the water vapor is of concern to me, don't loose track of the overall post.
Unlike most who have posted the pro's, after searching the net and reading the how great this could be, I have built an actual hands on system. And again I will say the system does in fact produce hydrogen, however unless you have some electrical background, to the point of being able to ensure the amperage draw to the plates does not exceed your wire size, and your containment tank is sufficient enough to hold enough water to keep your plates from going dry, which will most likely either blow the fuse or if not fused properly, melt your wires, then don't even try.
I will also say that if you intend to try this, also look into a duel battery setup, as the amperage draw we saw will cripple a battery in no time. The stock alternator on a JK can not provide the power to provide the functions at night and recharge the battery as needed.
That said, the hydrogen produced will not support any major gains at an idle let alone driving the highway at 2000 RPMs for any sustained time.
Go for it if you will, but be for warned.

 

the design I have will be sufficient to run straight HHO without gas if you want I will give them to you for free just email me and I will forward them to you

 

Lorrel......

That is indeed very, very, interesting.

I just emailed your comments to the engineer friend of mine that was also supposed to be building one. I'll let you know of his findings if, and when, I hear from him.

Thanks so much for your input...

Dave

 

A little bit of water vapor isn't going to do any harm or hydrolock your engine...period!

I'll give you 2 examples: from personal experience not opinion.

1. Please do a google search for "water injection"
What is water injection? Well the simplest explanation it consists of a water tank, water pump and nozzle. Water is sprayed (misted) directly into the intake track to cool the intake charge (the hot air created usually from being compressed by a turbo). This not only cools the intake charge but another affect is that it litterally cleans out the engine. The hot steam will actually clean out (basically steam cleaning) the carbon in the combution chamber.

Actually there is a sponsor on this forum that has experience with water/alcohol injection.

2. There's are several ways to clean out carbon deposits inside an engine. These techniques have been around for years and years. One is to let the engine suck an "agent" through a vacuum line directly into the engine. 3 of the most common "agents" to suck into the engine are WATER, Brake Cleaner and Sea Foam. I have used all of these methods. When the engine is sucking these "agents" in, they enter at an amazing rate. I could empty a full cup or can of one of these agents in about 30 seconds. Sea Foam is actually the most fun to use because you get a huge 007 smoke screen that can piss off the neighbors
Again, you can verify this by a simple google search.


Here's an engine example and I will explain it in simplest terms.
Watch this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...93860613&hl=en

You are seeing inside the combustion chamber.
1. the two round circles at the top are the valves
2. The round object that is at the bottom is the top of the piston.
3. The little white looking hook at the top directly in the center, between the valves is the spark plug.

In the video, you see the valve on the right start to open while the piston drops. Durning this step, the air/fuel is being sucked into the combustion chamber. The valve then closes and the piston rises, compressing all the air and fuel in that "tight space". The spark plug then ignites the air/fuel mixture. That explosion forces the piston down and you will see the left side exhaust valve opens and the exaust exits.

So here's where the problem comes into play.
Now look at the video and picture this: The valve opens and the piston drops. Instead of just air/fuel entering, you suck in a good amount of water. Now the valve closes and the piston starts compressing the mixture. But the problem is, there's so much water, it's more than will fit in that "tight space". The water prevents the piston from reaching the very top where it completes it's cycle and starts over again. This stop, locks everything up, with devestating effects.
Think about this, the engine is turning over at 3000 RPM and all of the sudden it comes to a dead stop because the cylinder is filled with water....bad bad day.
It's kind of like riding your bicycle and having someone throw a broom stick in the spokes.

Sorry this is a long winded response....I think my pain meds and sleep aids are kicking in (shoulder surgery)....lol

Moral of the story is that a little water or steam will not hurt anything.

But for some people, playing it safe is the best bet.

Edited part*****Sorry it's a little off-topic but I kept reading about people's worries concerning the water or water vapor. The above just helps to cover a couple concerns.
In all the years I've seen/used this, I've never seen any kind of rust build up, unless you just let an engine sit, never running, with water in the cylinders.******edit done

Ok I'm done...hahahaha

 

never said anything about hydrolocking the engine however after the HHO has been egnited and the left over gasses haven't expelled through the exhaust you will have a very small amount of water vapor and when it cools turns to condinsation on top of your piston. In the long run it could possibly lead to engine failure due to the corrosion or rust it has created. I still plan on running a supplemental kit on my JK it is just when I return from overseas that I will make my own. Hydrogen Garage has some supplemental full kits that can be added but for there 1k price tag I can build atleast 10 of em for that amount. They also has other cool gadgets on there website as well that I will be getting to help out my build time. Just google them and read up it is very interesting..

 

VBS4~

Interesting you bring up the steam method/water injection. An OLD trick we were actually taught back in auto shop eons ago was one the safest & cheapest ways to help clean out the gooooo & goop in a motor was to take a squirt bottle of WATER and rev the motor to about 2500 and start spraying it down the carb............... Get a good amount of rev going and a good dose of SPRAY (not a steam) and you can litterally watch the black clouds of gummed up carbon come blowing out the tailpipe: mean HUGE billows of it can be made from motors with even just a few thousand miles on them. Helluva a lot cheaper than carb cleaner!

Water injection: not really anything new...been around for years: Used to see it alot on RV's & just like you said-- some were using it on Turbo'd cars. Its a cheap way to help prevent PING by cooling down the combustion chamber-- but really dont help MPG's...........

Sorry for the momentary hijack....I dunno how many of the newer guys to wrenching knew about some of these older things

 

I think my meds were kicking in and when I read about water vapor concerns, the term hydrolocking popped in my head. I edited the above post to correct it.

But you concerns about the water vapor has been re-addressed.

And like someone already posted (somewhere), You're pushing water through the engine every day...hence the water that drips out your exhaust. It's in your gas every day. I don't think this should be a worry.

Good luck with your project. I'd love to see it work for you


Again, sorry for the hyjack

 

Yes, I refered to the engine making water, but not entirely because it's in the gas. It's one of the larger byproducts of combustion of hydrocarbons.