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Old 12-09-2013, 06:47 PM
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I am putting together a Frankenlift/jeep and looking for some thoughts. Build to include the following or already has some parts on it.
07 jeep x 2dr
Xrc front stinger with 10k winch
Xrc front armor fenders- serious tire clearance
Xrc rear fenders armor
Body armor rack
37 coopers and beadlocks
Rear tubs bumper with a custom 8k winch ( not built yet)
Also it is an auto


What do you think?
Front:
1. Rubi d-44 with sleeves/gussets with 4:88
2. Poly pro trac bracket/sway link bracket and shock brackets
3. Mopar rt hand reversed steering link( left over from a aev kit)
4. RK adjust bomb proof front trac ( left over from a swap)
5. 2- Tera flex 1 inch pucks( from level kit)
6. Teraflex 2.5 4 door coils --- suppose to give 3 inches on 2dr. ( left over from a 2.5/kit kit
7. TF 2.5 bump stops left over from a 2.5 kit
8. Front sway links from TfF level kit
9. Fox 1-3.5 shocks


Rear
1. Rubi d44 with 10 shafts 4.88 gears
2. Rock stars
3 2.5 bumps stops
4. Sway links from front
5. Fox 1-3.5 shocks
6 TF 2.5 f4 door coils/3 inch 2dr
7 1 inch TF puck from level kit
8. TF track bar mount from 4 inch kit adjustable from 2.5-4 I believe....
9 poly pro coil wedges


Here are the questions:

What do you think it will yield on total lift? 3.5? Higher? I feel with the front bumper and winch I will loose at least an inch
I also feel with the 3/16 steel front fenders it will loose another inch.
Hopefully netting about 3 to 3.5 inches.

My concerns are:

1.Will the bump stops be adequate? I'm not to concerned with tire clearance as there is a lot of room on the xrc fenders
I'm concerned with the shocks bottoming out

2.Sway bar links length
I think front should be ok due to the poly bracket extending... Concern is rear length. How do I tell if they are long enough?

control arms:
Do I leave them stock and see what happens
Do I put on the aev brackets that are left over from a previous swap?
Do I get front adjustable lowers and adjustable upper rears
Do I just bite the bullet and order all four front and rear?

Lastly
Drive shafts
Do I need them other than the front boot issue?
If so front or rear or both?


Again these are being selected because of left overs from friends builds/ extras/swaps and things.
So I would not normally put this makeshift lift together, but the price is right----and I finally get the $hit out of the shop.
Is there anything I am missing or overlooking?


Any feed back would be appreciated any suggestions?



Thanks and I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
Old 12-09-2013, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rattler_thesnake
I am putting together a Frankenlift/jeep and looking for some thoughts. Build to include the following or already has some parts on it.
07 jeep x 2dr
Xrc front stinger with 10k winch
Xrc front armor fenders- serious tire clearance
Xrc rear fenders armor
Body armor rack
37 coopers and beadlocks
Rear tubs bumper with a custom 8k winch ( not built yet)
Also it is an auto


What do you think?
Front:
1. Rubi d-44 with sleeves/gussets with 4:88
2. Poly pro trac bracket/sway link bracket and shock brackets
3. Mopar rt hand reversed steering link( left over from a aev kit)
4. RK adjust bomb proof front trac ( left over from a swap)
5. 2- Tera flex 1 inch pucks( from level kit)
6. Teraflex 2.5 4 door coils --- suppose to give 3 inches on 2dr. ( left over from a 2.5/kit kit
7. TF 2.5 bump stops left over from a 2.5 kit
8. Front sway links from TfF level kit
9. Fox 1-3.5 shocks


Rear
1. Rubi d44 with 10 shafts 4.88 gears
2. Rock stars
3 2.5 bumps stops
4. Sway links from front
5. Fox 1-3.5 shocks
6 TF 2.5 f4 door coils/3 inch 2dr
7 1 inch TF puck from level kit
8. TF track bar mount from 4 inch kit adjustable from 2.5-4 I believe....
9 poly pro coil wedges


Here are the questions:

What do you think it will yield on total lift? 3.5? Higher? I feel with the front bumper and winch I will loose at least an inch
I also feel with the 3/16 steel front fenders it will loose another inch.
Hopefully netting about 3 to 3.5 inches.

My concerns are:

1.Will the bump stops be adequate? I'm not to concerned with tire clearance as there is a lot of room on the xrc fenders
I'm concerned with the shocks bottoming out

2.Sway bar links length
I think front should be ok due to the poly bracket extending... Concern is rear length. How do I tell if they are long enough?

control arms:
Do I leave them stock and see what happens
Do I put on the aev brackets that are left over from a previous swap?
Do I get front adjustable lowers and adjustable upper rears
Do I just bite the bullet and order all four front and rear?

Lastly
Drive shafts
Do I need them other than the front boot issue?
If so front or rear or both?


Again these are being selected because of left overs from friends builds/ extras/swaps and things.
So I would not normally put this makeshift lift together, but the price is right----and I finally get the $hit out of the shop.
Is there anything I am missing or overlooking?


Any feed back would be appreciated any suggestions?



Thanks and I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
Total lift most likely closer to 3".
1.If you have shocks for the 2" to 4" lift range you will be fine.
2. Sway bar links should be long enough to where the sway bar is level or real close to level. I would put the rear one on the front and get adjustable and disconnects for the front.
3. I would at least get adjustable control arms for top rear and bottom front. All 8 if you got the $.
4. Start saving for driveshaft. There is no telling how long they will last or current condition.
Also I would get an adjustable track bar for front. TF monster, RK bullet proof or JKS.
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If ur getting a rubi 44 id go 5.38 not 4.88 on the auto.
Old 12-09-2013, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hooper
Total lift most likely closer to 3".
1.If you have shocks for the 2" to 4" lift range you will be fine.
2. Sway bar links should be long enough to where the sway bar is level or real close to level. I would put the rear one on the front and get adjustable and disconnects for the front.
3. I would at least get adjustable control arms for top rear and bottom front. All 8 if you got the $.
4. Start saving for driveshaft. There is no telling how long they will last or current condition.
Also I would get an adjustable track bar for front. TF monster, RK bullet proof or JKS.
First : All thanks for the replies

I am will have a RK adj front , not sure if I included that in OP.
I will also look at moving the links and getting my hands on a set of quick disconnects, any thoughts on a front anti rock?
What about bumpstops?
Any suggestions on the length of upper and lower control arms?
Do you think I need front and rear shafts?

rubi 44 is 4.88 on the auto, because they are sitting in a corner... If I were to have my choice of gears it would not be the 4:88 auto and 37's .....axles came out of a 2012 with 6 speed and 35's.
Got a sweet deal on them so beggers can't be choosers type of deal. If 37 are too much for hwy speeds may reconsider and jump down to 35.... But what fun is that :-)


Any other suggestions?
Goal is I can run 65+mph and take this off road anywhere.

Thanks again
Old 12-09-2013, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rattler_thesnake
I am putting together a Frankenlift/jeep and looking for some thoughts. Build to include the following or already has some parts on it.
07 jeep x 2dr
Xrc front stinger with 10k winch
Xrc front armor fenders- serious tire clearance
Xrc rear fenders armor
Body armor rack
37 coopers and beadlocks
Rear tubs bumper with a custom 8k winch ( not built yet)
Also it is an auto


What do you think?
Front:
1. Rubi d-44 with sleeves/gussets with 4:88
2. Poly pro trac bracket/sway link bracket and shock brackets
3. Mopar rt hand reversed steering link( left over from a aev kit)
4. RK adjust bomb proof front trac ( left over from a swap)
5. 2- Tera flex 1 inch pucks( from level kit)
6. Teraflex 2.5 4 door coils --- suppose to give 3 inches on 2dr. ( left over from a 2.5/kit kit
7. TF 2.5 bump stops left over from a 2.5 kit
8. Front sway links from TfF level kit
9. Fox 1-3.5 shocks


Rear
1. Rubi d44 with 10 shafts 4.88 gears
2. Rock stars
3 2.5 bumps stops
4. Sway links from front
5. Fox 1-3.5 shocks
6 TF 2.5 f4 door coils/3 inch 2dr
7 1 inch TF puck from level kit
8. TF track bar mount from 4 inch kit adjustable from 2.5-4 I believe....
9 poly pro coil wedges


Here are the questions:

What do you think it will yield on total lift? 3.5? Higher? I feel with the front bumper and winch I will loose at least an inch
I also feel with the 3/16 steel front fenders it will loose another inch.
Hopefully netting about 3 to 3.5 inches.

My concerns are:

1.Will the bump stops be adequate? I'm not to concerned with tire clearance as there is a lot of room on the xrc fenders
I'm concerned with the shocks bottoming out

2.Sway bar links length
I think front should be ok due to the poly bracket extending... Concern is rear length. How do I tell if they are long enough?

control arms:
Do I leave them stock and see what happens
Do I put on the aev brackets that are left over from a previous swap?
Do I get front adjustable lowers and adjustable upper rears
Do I just bite the bullet and order all four front and rear?

Lastly
Drive shafts
Do I need them other than the front boot issue?
If so front or rear or both?


Again these are being selected because of left overs from friends builds/ extras/swaps and things.
So I would not normally put this makeshift lift together, but the price is right----and I finally get the $hit out of the shop.
Is there anything I am missing or overlooking?


Any feed back would be appreciated any suggestions?



Thanks and I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
If you ever make it to Billings, I might be open to swapping Rubi 44s that have 5.13s for yours with 4.88s. However, you really want 5.38s with 37s. That puts you at just under 2500 rpm at 70 mph with an 07 automatic.

4.88s with 37s won't be great at all for highway driving. The the transmission will hunt between 3rd and 4th with any wind or hills.

2.5" front extended bumpstops are more than is needed for 37s with front flat-ish flares. As far as the Fox 980-24-887 shocks go, you will only need about 1" front extended bumpstops to prevent them from bottoming out.

You will get more than 3" from 4 dr springs, even with the bumpers. I would not install the coil spacers. Your front driveshaft will last longer.

Eventually, the rubber boot on your front driveshaft will tear. Then, you will trim the excess rubber to stop the flapping sound. Then, the driveshaft will eventually squeak when the grease spins out. Then, you will buy a new front driveshaft.

Since you have an X, you will want front swaybar quick disconnects. I prefer JKS. Don't use the leveling kit links.

Even with the EVO RockStars, you will only need about 1.5" rear extended bumpstops for Fox 980-24-888. With 37s and 2.5" rear extended bumpstops, you will need to do some trimming of the rear fender well pinch seams--front and rear of the fender wells.

The rear swaybar links should be long enough so that your rear swaybar is about level and normal ride height. If your shocks were longer, you would want the swaybar a few degrees above level.

With a 3" lift, you can get away with front lower adjustable control arms. If you end up at closer to 4", you will end up wanting all 8 control arms.

The rear driveshaft should last a while at 3". The closer you get to 4", the sooner you will need to buy and aftermarket rear driveshaft.

Those shocks are nice, but they are pretty short for even a 3" lift.
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Ok I basically have the exact lift you are describing here. I'm bout to get rid of the teraflex springs because they are rough. I'm going synergy or new RK triple rate. You'll be fine with the driveshafts you have. I have RK front discos. I will have another pair for sale soon if interested that I got from a RK 3.5" X factor lift I just got. I'm only interested in the control arms that come with it. I would do front lowers and rear uppers. Putting the RK tracbar on front couldn't hurt. I would do a grade 8 hardware kit with 9/16 bolts though. Guy on here selling some kits for $30. Want to say I only got bout 3" out of my lift and I'm not loaded.



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