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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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JeepingGreen, I believe I've already discussed this with you. You have conflicting roll centers currently. Raising the rear roll center by raising the track bar axle bracket to match the front will greatly improve the vehicle characteristics.

I know it might not make sense, but you have to remember the front and rear do not work independently. What you are experiencing is the rear axle wrapping with changes in load on the vehicle CG, either due to acceleration/deceleration, or changing road pitch.

Everything being described on this thread has everything to do with link geometry and nothing to do with steering stabilizers.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JKred
JeepingGreen, I believe I've already discussed this with you. You have conflicting roll centers currently. Raising the rear roll center by raising the track bar axle bracket to match the front will greatly improve the vehicle characteristics.

I know it might not make sense, but you have to remember the front and rear do not work independently. What you are experiencing is the rear axle wrapping with changes in load on the vehicle CG, either due to acceleration/deceleration, or changing road pitch.

Everything being described on this thread has everything to do with link geometry and nothing to do with steering stabilizers.
Yeah, I never mentioned steering stabilizers - the one thing I do know is that my SS has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.. I apologize - it's not that I don't trust you or value your advice.. Just looking for more feedback from others who have gone through the exact same issue. For example, I'm wondering if OP changed his rear TB height and if not, why is he NOT having the issue.. Anyway, I did take your advice and ordered the Teraflex rear TB bracket to raise it up but I'm just worried that the problem will still be there :( Am I a pessimist?

I'll definitely post my findings. I think I'll also swing by Home Cheapo to get a tool to measure the angle of the TB and DL in the front - just to make sure they are the same angle (or verify how different the angles are)..

The one question that haunts me is that not everyone who flipped their DL and raised their front TB raised the rear TB and yet they are not experiencing the issue. I do have one theory - when I swapped my 3" coils for new 3" coils, I removed the 1/2" spacer in the front. So I now have a bit of rake (I don't mind it because when I gear up for camping the rear really sags).. However, that would exacerbate the issue (creating an even greater angle differentiation between the front and rear)..

Oh, and what you said absolutely makes sense - it was the first (only) thing I thought of (before even asking the forum).. Like I said - geometry is geometry.. What doesn't make sense is that it would be an issue on my Jeep but not other Jeeps.. That's why I'm curious..

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