Washington Jeepin' People
We Are not going this weekend as we have a club run @ Elbe i think and sunday is the many annual Moon Shiners swap meet. http://www.moonshinersjeepclub.com/s...t/swapmeet.htm
my rear brake line got rubbed through again .. not even a day after replacing it ... as I am going to just leave it til' it start leaking. It got stuck next to the tire.
Its behind the sway bar and being held back now. My starter had to be replaced last week. I luckily got home ... no problems since then.
I want to check out reiter too. Maybe cmyjeep and me could tag along with ya'll one time.
Tahuya gets old.
Its behind the sway bar and being held back now. My starter had to be replaced last week. I luckily got home ... no problems since then.
I want to check out reiter too. Maybe cmyjeep and me could tag along with ya'll one time.
Tahuya gets old.
my rear brake line got rubbed through again .. not even a day after replacing it ... as I am going to just leave it til' it start leaking. It got stuck next to the tire.
Its behind the sway bar and being held back now. My starter had to be replaced last week. I luckily got home ... no problems since then.
I want to check out reiter too. Maybe cmyjeep and me could tag along with ya'll one time.
Tahuya gets old.
Its behind the sway bar and being held back now. My starter had to be replaced last week. I luckily got home ... no problems since then.
I want to check out reiter too. Maybe cmyjeep and me could tag along with ya'll one time.
Tahuya gets old.
I am also waiting on the sway bar and evap replacement parts so they both can get replaced.
Sounds like lots of fun, I will let you two know next time we haed up there on a weekend.
Kat
Caterrs - welcome!!!! My other car is a '75 Yota Landcruiser so I've hung out a bit on Yotatech as well as IH8Mud. This is a great board, definitely some guys with ingenuity figuiring out how to coax a little more utility out of these things and fix some of the things the factory shoulda caught...
Cheers,
Gadget
Hey Gadget!
Landcruisers have always been one of my favorites!
Thanks for the great welcome everybody!
Well off to order paint for my dash! I'm going to spray the center plastic thingy rescue green as soon as I figure out how to get it out, I'll bet there is a write up here somewheres! I'll take pictures
OK Washingtonians-
Here is a copy of my kindly email with the WSP... make of it what you will... but remember what your Mom said about friend's jumping off bridges! BTW my state patrol buddies said they would all pull me over anyways... but I have judge buddies
so I won't worry so much...
I noticed they didn't give me a concrete answer one way or the other... so my naughty brain thinks they can be "educated"- if enough people ask...i.e. make sure they know that jeep doors are bad
and tube doors are good 
email address is on it.. hint.. hint..
Personally I'm going to make a print and keep it in my glove box with the safety report on my warrior tube doors(if they ever write me back...)
If they don't I'm going on a nationwide hunt for half doors...
(that are already assembled!- 6k
)
Because as we all know Jeep wants us to take the doors off... (or there wouldn't be so many pictures of doorless wranglers in the sales books
)
I'm sure you are all pretty savvy... but just in case... this letter reads from bottom up... to maintain the paper trail... so start at the bottom and come back to here
To: Catherine Pierce
From: Equipment
March 4, 2008
This message is in response to your e-mail.
The vehicle manufacture has to have built the vehicle intending for the doors to come off, (example: soft sided doors installed by the manufacturer on some Jeep Wranglers) because then, the doors themselves are not intended as part of the vehicle’s safety system. If hard doors were installed on the original vehicle then you need to make sure that the doors you are replacing them with meet or exceed the safety standards of the originally installed doors.
Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Equipment
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From: Caterrs@aol.com [mailto:Caterrs@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:24 PM
To: Equipment
Subject: Re: Jeep with no doors?
So... would it be street legal to replace the factory doors with the steel tube "safari doors" that are offered by Bestop/warrior? They represent the same amount of safety protection- (if not more)- 2" tube steel is better than a thinly metal skinned door- in my book? They are equipped with paddle door latches.
Catherine
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In a message dated 3/3/2008 8:31:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, equipment@wsp.wa.gov writes:
To: Catherine Pierce
From: Equipment
March 3, 2008
This message is in response to your e-mail.
Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.37.517 states in part, ". . .(2) The hood, hood latches, hood fastenings, doors, and door latches shall be maintained in a condition sufficient to ensure proper working equal to that at the time of original vehicle manufacture."
The doors are part of the "safety" of the vehicle and any substitute is to provide the same or better safety as originally intended by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer intended for the doors to be removed - the "plastic" ones with out any structural support - and through other means has made the vehicle crash/crush resistant - as doors and door frames are intended to do.
However removing the hard paneled/sided doors is not legal.
Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Equipment
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From: Caterrs@aol.com [mailto:Caterrs@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:35 PM
To: Equipment
Subject: Jeep with no doors?
Hi-
I have a Jeep Wrangler. I see many people driving around with doors off or "safari tube doors" in summer. I am wondering if this is legal as I haven't owned a jeep before? I would like to do so this as well but am concerned. I have not EVER had a ticket and would like to keep it that way
I added pictures of my friend's vehicle with and without doors/tube doors for reference- his is exactly like mine but I am short and have no lift :(
Please let me know if both pictures do not come thru-
Thanks!
Catherine Pierce
Here is a copy of my kindly email with the WSP... make of it what you will... but remember what your Mom said about friend's jumping off bridges! BTW my state patrol buddies said they would all pull me over anyways... but I have judge buddies
so I won't worry so much... I noticed they didn't give me a concrete answer one way or the other... so my naughty brain thinks they can be "educated"- if enough people ask...i.e. make sure they know that jeep doors are bad

email address is on it.. hint.. hint..
Personally I'm going to make a print and keep it in my glove box with the safety report on my warrior tube doors(if they ever write me back...)
If they don't I'm going on a nationwide hunt for half doors...
(that are already assembled!- 6k
) Because as we all know Jeep wants us to take the doors off... (or there wouldn't be so many pictures of doorless wranglers in the sales books
)I'm sure you are all pretty savvy... but just in case... this letter reads from bottom up... to maintain the paper trail... so start at the bottom and come back to here

To: Catherine Pierce
From: Equipment
March 4, 2008
This message is in response to your e-mail.
The vehicle manufacture has to have built the vehicle intending for the doors to come off, (example: soft sided doors installed by the manufacturer on some Jeep Wranglers) because then, the doors themselves are not intended as part of the vehicle’s safety system. If hard doors were installed on the original vehicle then you need to make sure that the doors you are replacing them with meet or exceed the safety standards of the originally installed doors.
Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Equipment
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From: Caterrs@aol.com [mailto:Caterrs@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:24 PM
To: Equipment
Subject: Re: Jeep with no doors?
So... would it be street legal to replace the factory doors with the steel tube "safari doors" that are offered by Bestop/warrior? They represent the same amount of safety protection- (if not more)- 2" tube steel is better than a thinly metal skinned door- in my book? They are equipped with paddle door latches.
Catherine

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In a message dated 3/3/2008 8:31:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, equipment@wsp.wa.gov writes:
To: Catherine Pierce
From: Equipment
March 3, 2008
This message is in response to your e-mail.
Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.37.517 states in part, ". . .(2) The hood, hood latches, hood fastenings, doors, and door latches shall be maintained in a condition sufficient to ensure proper working equal to that at the time of original vehicle manufacture."
The doors are part of the "safety" of the vehicle and any substitute is to provide the same or better safety as originally intended by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer intended for the doors to be removed - the "plastic" ones with out any structural support - and through other means has made the vehicle crash/crush resistant - as doors and door frames are intended to do.
However removing the hard paneled/sided doors is not legal.
Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Equipment
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From: Caterrs@aol.com [mailto:Caterrs@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:35 PM
To: Equipment
Subject: Jeep with no doors?
Hi-
I have a Jeep Wrangler. I see many people driving around with doors off or "safari tube doors" in summer. I am wondering if this is legal as I haven't owned a jeep before? I would like to do so this as well but am concerned. I have not EVER had a ticket and would like to keep it that way
I added pictures of my friend's vehicle with and without doors/tube doors for reference- his is exactly like mine but I am short and have no lift :(
Please let me know if both pictures do not come thru-
Thanks!
Catherine Pierce
removing the hard paneled/sided doors is not legal. this is not true. is saids right on my jeep
door that [ this door is not for safety but only to keep the weather out]
this is from jeep. you can remove your doors but you must replace them with
dot app. tube frame or it must have a outer skin to keep your legs and arms and hands inside the vehicle when moving. did you know that you cant drive around with the front windshield down in less you have safety glasses on.
i love washington state
door that [ this door is not for safety but only to keep the weather out]
this is from jeep. you can remove your doors but you must replace them with
dot app. tube frame or it must have a outer skin to keep your legs and arms and hands inside the vehicle when moving. did you know that you cant drive around with the front windshield down in less you have safety glasses on.
i love washington state
okay. Ya i was wondering about the windshield. There were guys in h.s. that had a old cj and they drove around with the hwindshield down to school and had goggles on.
wasn't too sure. Yum .... bug for breakfast lunch and dinerr! LOL!
wasn't too sure. Yum .... bug for breakfast lunch and dinerr! LOL!
Rhonda and I got pulled over in Augest last year by a state trooper with the doors off and we had both forgotten to put on our seat belts and got ticketed for it. He had nothing to say about the missing doors.
We Are not going this weekend as we have a club run @ Elbe i think and sunday is the many annual Moon Shiners swap meet. http://www.moonshinersjeepclub.com/s...t/swapmeet.htm
If you get by the Northridge booth, make sure you ask Dave to show you the "surprise" GadgetPhreak brought by for him and his brother... they turned out really good and should definitely come in handy. I wanted to get them a little thank you for all the time they've spent answering questions and helping us all out. I must have 2 dozen emails in my inbox from him, not to mention all the phone calls helping me sort out my build plans.
Cheers,
Gadget


