Transfer case exploded!
After reading this post, I'm inclined to agree with under dawg. On my ZJ, I was never concerned about castor, but concentrated on getting the pinion angle perfect with the shaft angle. Once I did, the vibration was minimized. After the 6" lift on it, I have no idea what the castor angle is, but it drives straight with no bump steer, DW, or flighty handling. My JK castor is at 4.8 degrees by my angle finder and the alignment print out. The pinion angle, however, is off by a few degrees. From what I've read here, I'm going to shorten the lowers to get the pinion angle correct and see how it drives. Maybe I've got one of those JKs that will drive fine at 3 degrees castor.
I would agree it is a TC design flaw when we start hearing of t-cases exploding on JK's whose drivelines were set up as designed.
Vibration is something that can't be avoided. So an item is designed to survive whatever vibration it encounters from within itself, and from its associated equipment.
So, a consumer comes along and changes some of the associated equipment. Now the item is exposed to vibration it would never have seen otherwise.
When the vibration hits a certain critical harmonic frequency, the energy it must absorb is greatly amplified. KABOOM!
Since the TC explosions have been occurring on JK's whose front drivelines have been redesigned by the consumer, I believe that is where the design flaw lies.
If there are examples of TC's exploding with stock set-ups, I'll bet, with a little investigation, you will find something about that "stock set-up" has been changed.
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Poor castings may be be part of the issue. Mine may be full of air pockets, but it has not exploded.
Poor casting are not designed in, though. That's a quality issue.
Vibration is something that can't be avoided. So an item is designed to survive whatever vibration it encounters from within itself, and from its associated equipment.
So, a consumer comes along and changes some of the associated equipment. Now the item is exposed to vibration it would never have seen otherwise.
When the vibration hits a certain critical harmonic frequency, the energy it must absorb is greatly amplified. KABOOM!
Since the TC explosions have been occurring on JK's whose front drivelines have been redesigned by the consumer, I believe that is where the design flaw lies.
If there are examples of TC's exploding with stock set-ups, I'll bet, with a little investigation, you will find something about that "stock set-up" has been changed.
edit to add:
Poor castings may be be part of the issue. Mine may be full of air pockets, but it has not exploded.
Poor casting are not designed in, though. That's a quality issue.
the design of the casing looked different between the two I've had COMBINED with the other things like gearing, lift (angles, caster, pinion) contributed to the failure. My opinion was there was little margin for error as a result of the poor material in the casting and the design (they may be the same casting but mine looked to be different).This begs the question (which ron has already broached):
Are we seeing a similar number of t-case failures on bone stock JKs?
If it's happening, it's not being reported here, and the disparity can't be attributed to guys not using their stock JKs on the trail; there's a thread elsewhere on the forum devoted to JK owners who wheel stock.
Are we seeing a similar number of t-case failures on bone stock JKs?

If it's happening, it's not being reported here, and the disparity can't be attributed to guys not using their stock JKs on the trail; there's a thread elsewhere on the forum devoted to JK owners who wheel stock.


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About 2 weeks prior to the t-case failure I had the front DS checked out and balanced. It really didn't need balancing I wanted it to be looked at since I noticed it had some contact hits against the transmission skid plate.
IMO That's why we aren't seeing the failure on the stock JK's.
Last edited by sm_rubi; Aug 1, 2010 at 11:23 AM.
What may also be relavent is how many of the exploded T-cases were running the OE type flange adapter double carden ds and how many are running coilovers. I was running a jereel OE replacement shaft, seemed fine until I got 5.13's installed(on 35's at the time), then it started squalling at 40mph, vibes at 65-70. Dealer rebuilt the T-case, couldn't find anything wrong, blamed the noise on my auto locker causing the tfcase chain to rattle
Still had same noise after, just not as bad. Had TFcase totally replaced, noise even less, still jereel(just a new longer one), same castor, still 35's. Put 37's on, noise almost completely gone still vibes though, changed to TeraFlex shaft w/yokes, noise gone completely, although I do have a slight vibe at 55mph, seems to go away after 60mph. Changed castor, vibe didn't change any, so I'm gonna take the ds for a re-balance. Anyhow, thats my tcase/ds saga abbreviated version. My jk was down 3mos with various shops trying to track the noise and vibes down.
Oh, I should add, I sent the original jereel back and it was balanced perfect, they couldn't find anything wrong, they sent me a new longer one cause the first was abit too short for the amount of lift I had. Jim Reel said at the time (over a year ago) that I should go with the yokes on 5in of lift, they'd already had a couple of blown tcases on 4in or more of lift that people were blaming the OE flange double cardens on. So, there are prolly more blown tcases out there than people think. Some people aren't on forums as much , if at all that have modded jeeps.
Still had same noise after, just not as bad. Had TFcase totally replaced, noise even less, still jereel(just a new longer one), same castor, still 35's. Put 37's on, noise almost completely gone still vibes though, changed to TeraFlex shaft w/yokes, noise gone completely, although I do have a slight vibe at 55mph, seems to go away after 60mph. Changed castor, vibe didn't change any, so I'm gonna take the ds for a re-balance. Anyhow, thats my tcase/ds saga abbreviated version. My jk was down 3mos with various shops trying to track the noise and vibes down. Oh, I should add, I sent the original jereel back and it was balanced perfect, they couldn't find anything wrong, they sent me a new longer one cause the first was abit too short for the amount of lift I had. Jim Reel said at the time (over a year ago) that I should go with the yokes on 5in of lift, they'd already had a couple of blown tcases on 4in or more of lift that people were blaming the OE flange double cardens on. So, there are prolly more blown tcases out there than people think. Some people aren't on forums as much , if at all that have modded jeeps.
After reading this post, I decided to pull my front DS - easy enough to do, plus got to spend some time getting greasy.
Drove to the gym and am again wishful for a vibration solution. Though mine is very mild at 40-45 mph with 5.13s and 35s, I may once again try a lower castor. I am between 4 and 4.5 now. Using simple angle finder. I have been up and down and back again with the lower control arm adjustments...I got between 4 and 5 inches of lift with the Teraflex 3 inch kit. I have full control arms, so plenty of adjustment.
With the front DS removed, I'll save the adjustments for the fall.
Part of the fun I guess. I have the Jeep of my dreams, but am dealing with vibes and some mild whine from my rear gears. Got to pay to play...
Drove to the gym and am again wishful for a vibration solution. Though mine is very mild at 40-45 mph with 5.13s and 35s, I may once again try a lower castor. I am between 4 and 4.5 now. Using simple angle finder. I have been up and down and back again with the lower control arm adjustments...I got between 4 and 5 inches of lift with the Teraflex 3 inch kit. I have full control arms, so plenty of adjustment.
With the front DS removed, I'll save the adjustments for the fall.
Part of the fun I guess. I have the Jeep of my dreams, but am dealing with vibes and some mild whine from my rear gears. Got to pay to play...
Hey i know, and the guy that did the install is more than willing to take a look at them. Something comes up every time I try to get in to have them take a listen. The mildest of whine when I lift off the accelerator.
I was really hoping to move up to 37s and add a 1 inch BL when the 35s are replaced, but maybe I'm maxed on how much the JK can stand and still stay breakage free :(
I was really hoping to move up to 37s and add a 1 inch BL when the 35s are replaced, but maybe I'm maxed on how much the JK can stand and still stay breakage free :(
Last edited by kflash; Aug 1, 2010 at 05:41 PM.



