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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 09:45 AM
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So I installed rancho drop brackets last December. At the time ,I had rough country control arms( came on my jeep). I've recently bought rockkrawler control arms, and the arms even at the shortest length, are about 3/4" too long. Should I look into drop brackets that have the adjustable eyes for different lift heights? If not, I'm going to have to scrap the drop brackets. Will my ride suffer significantly? I remember the ride before and after the brackets. It was night and day. I'm also getting a bad left pull. The arms are adjusted to their shortest length and all arms are the exact Same length. What could be the issue here! Toe maybe? It rides great besides the pull. I have a fox stabilizer that has always made it pull to the left, but not this bad.

I installed a synergy track bar and track bar brace. This significantly tightened up the quick side to side slop. Also, when hitting bumps the bump steer has improved.

Next plan is ball joints, synergy flipped draglink and tie rod.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 09:53 AM
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The drop brackets essentially do what adjustable control arms do. They adjust caster. Assuming you don't have a crazy tall lift, I don't think getting the control arms flat is a big deal. Ditch the brackets and keep caster the same and you should be good.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 09:56 AM
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Confused. Are you trying to use your drop brackets with the adjustable control arms? If so, don't. Ditch the brackets and make the control arms long enough to get your geometry correct.

For example I had AEV brackets and just now went to adjustable arms. So I measured how long the new arms would have to be in order to keep the geometry the same as it was with the brackets. So you measure from your axle side control arm mount to where your stock frame side control arm mount would be. Use that measurement for the adjustable control arm length.

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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Invest2m4
The drop brackets essentially do what adjustable control arms do. They adjust caster. Assuming you don't have a crazy tall lift, I don't think getting the control arms flat is a big deal. Ditch the brackets and keep caster the same and you should be good.
I've been running both with the old arms and now the new. Other than the axle being pushed out 3/4"-1" further with the new arms nothing has changed. But I remember the ride being 10x better with the brackets rather than without. I'm more worried about my ride suffering without. I understand how to adjust, castor, and all. Hahha am I being hard headed?
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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Yes. lose the drop brackets adjust your new control arms accordingly and rid should be good as new
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PsychoCupcake
Confused. Are you trying to use your drop brackets with the adjustable control arms? If so, don't. Ditch the brackets and make the control arms long enough to get your geometry correct. For example I had AEV brackets and just now went to adjustable arms. So I measured how long the new arms would have to be in order to keep the geometry the same as it was with the brackets. So you measure from your axle side control arm mount to where your stock frame side control arm mount would be. Use that measurement for the adjustable control arm length. Make sense?
Yes I'd like to use both so my ride doesn't suffer. How did your ride go from brackets to no brackets?
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 10:30 AM
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I had brackets and went to arms. Ride got better with the new arms and no brackets. Was able to dial in caster perfectly (and I had Metalcloak arms, which have a really nice ride).
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Invest2m4
I had brackets and went to arms. Ride got better with the new arms and no brackets. Was able to dial in caster perfectly (and I had Metalcloak arms, which have a really nice ride).
^This

You don't need the brackets anymore. Your ride improved with the brackets because they optimized your geometry. You can do the exact same thing with the control arms. No reason to do both!
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 11:58 AM
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Both sets of arms were adjustable, the castor before brackets was 4.5*. I never checked it after I adjusted the arms for the brackets. But the ride improved. I don't have a choice, they have to come off. I was just curious of if I'd go back to hating the ride
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bombout800
Both sets of arms were adjustable, the castor before brackets was 4.5*. I never checked it after I adjusted the arms for the brackets. But the ride improved. I don't have a choice, they have to come off. I was just curious of if I'd go back to hating the ride
Do you mean the caster before the lift and brackets was 4.5? I believe stock JK caster is 4.2 but that will change after you install a lift. So the correction brackets are designed to get you that stock caster back without using adjustable control arms. So with the brackets OFF you should be trying to aim for something like 4.5 to 5 degrees of caster with the adjustable arms. Simple as that. Should not change your ride. If it does then something else is wrong.
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