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What would you like in a snorkel design?

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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by skibovr6
Hopefully we will see this before summer! I cannot wait!!!!!!!!
Yes before summer for sure...

Still working out final cost for tooling with revisions that needed to be made. Plans, at this time, have the price in the $400 ranch + or -..... but I'm in development and design so when it leaves my hands I really have no control over marketing and sales.... Just forwarding what I have been given as of today
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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Thinking +/- 400 range for option 3? Obviously we wont hold you to it but can assist in saving.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugged_Ridge
No but it will come a little later.. Just got to get the core product to market.
Sounds good to me

Ill be ordering the low mount option with the one of the factory replacement air filters, then i guess ill order the pre filter option when that hits the market.


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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 12:36 PM
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OK... we have the Dyno numbers from our first test run of the snorkel system... Please note that we were looking to see what the air flow affect would be at higher RPMs. This was our reason for testing and not to get full (across the board) numbers.... We needed to see if our design showed restriction under full load - air demand. We were not looking for performance numbers in the normal terms.

Two things to note..

(1) We ran the same setup a little over a year ago and the Jeep had (3.72:1) gears
We pulled in a baseline numbers of 145 hp / 150 lbs (35" tires)

Same setup this time around but with (5.13:1) gears
We pulled in a baseline number of 149 hp / 175 lbs (35" tires)

As it has been stated before... the best bang for the buck (seat of the pants feel) after installing larger tires will be to regear your Jeep.

(2) This is a SNORKEL and not a CAI... The air has to move further and around more bends with our design... I don't think we did so bad...

We tested the JK with a stock intake, paper (OE) filter and a stock exhaust.

Baseline = 149 / 175

RR drop in filter alone stock intake = 150 / 177 (net increase ...0 ) (+2 lbs over stock) very interesting.. expected better but numbers tell otherwise

Low mount Snorkel with RR filter = 146 / 177 (net reduction 3-4 hp when used with our drop in filter)(+2 lbs over stock)

High mount Snorkel with RR filter = 146 / 176 (net reduction 3-4 hp when used with our drop in filter) (+1 lbs over stock)


Will this kit increase HP .. more or less NO, will it increase LBS... maybe, will you notice any of this on the road... from what I can tell... NOPE.
That to me is good news. We stayed within a target of -5HP (from stock) and ended up with a reduction of around -3.5HP at 4,000 RPMs.
BUT the hidden nugget shows up at the lower RPMs where we look to do better than stock...

ALSO, we have not noticed any bad affects on MPG.... Tire pressure looks to affect it more than the snorkel.

Please look over the numbers and let us know your thoughts -GOOD or BAD...
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugged_Ridge
OK... we have the Dyno numbers from our first test run of the snorkel system... Please note that we were looking to see what the air flow affect would be at higher RPMs. This was our reason for testing and not to get full (across the board) numbers.... We needed to see if our design showed restriction under full load - air demand. We were not looking for performance numbers in the normal terms.

Two things to note..

(1) We ran the same setup a little over a year ago and the Jeep had (3.72:1) gears
We pulled in a baseline numbers of 145 hp / 150 lbs (35" tires)

Same setup this time around but with (5.13:1) gears
We pulled in a baseline number of 149 hp / 175 lbs (35" tires)

As it has been stated before... the best bang for the buck (seat of the pants feel) after installing larger tires will be to regear your Jeep.

(2) This is a SNORKEL and not a CAI... The air has to move further and around more bends with our design... I don't think we did so bad...

We tested the JK with a stock intake, paper (OE) filter and a stock exhaust.

Baseline = 149 / 175

RR drop in filter alone stock intake = 150 / 177 (net increase ...0 ) (+2 lbs over stock) very interesting.. expected better but numbers tell otherwise

Low mount Snorkel with RR filter = 146 / 177 (net reduction 3-4 hp when used with our drop in filter)(+2 lbs over stock)

High mount Snorkel with RR filter = 146 / 176 (net reduction 3-4 hp when used with our drop in filter) (+1 lbs over stock)

Will this kit increase HP .. more or less NO, will it increase LBS... maybe, will you notice any of this on the road... from what I can tell... NOPE.
That to me is good news. We stayed within a target of -5HP (from stock) and ended up with a reduction of around -3.5HP at 4,000 RPMs.
BUT the hidden nugget shows up at the lower RPMs where we look to do better than stock...

ALSO, we have not noticed any bad affects on MPG.... Tire pressure looks to affect it more than the snorkel.

Please look over the numbers and let us know your thoughts -GOOD or BAD...
What about water tests?? That's what i care about with a snorkel!!
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugged_Ridge
OK... we have the Dyno numbers from our first test run of the snorkel system... Please note that we were looking to see what the air flow affect would be at higher RPMs. This was our reason for testing and not to get full (across the board) numbers.... We needed to see if our design showed restriction under full load - air demand. We were not looking for performance numbers in the normal terms.

Two things to note..

(1) We ran the same setup a little over a year ago and the Jeep had (3.72:1) gears
We pulled in a baseline numbers of 145 hp / 150 lbs (35" tires)

Same setup this time around but with (5.13:1) gears
We pulled in a baseline number of 149 hp / 175 lbs (35" tires)

As it has been stated before... the best bang for the buck (seat of the pants feel) after installing larger tires will be to regear your Jeep.

(2) This is a SNORKEL and not a CAI... The air has to move further and around more bends with our design... I don't think we did so bad...

We tested the JK with a stock intake, paper (OE) filter and a stock exhaust.

Baseline = 149 / 175

RR drop in filter alone stock intake = 150 / 177 (net increase ...0 ) (+2 lbs over stock) very interesting.. expected better but numbers tell otherwise

Low mount Snorkel with RR filter = 146 / 177 (net reduction 3-4 hp when used with our drop in filter)(+2 lbs over stock)

High mount Snorkel with RR filter = 146 / 176 (net reduction 3-4 hp when used with our drop in filter) (+1 lbs over stock)


Will this kit increase HP .. more or less NO, will it increase LBS... maybe, will you notice any of this on the road... from what I can tell... NOPE.
That to me is good news. We stayed within a target of -5HP (from stock) and ended up with a reduction of around -3.5HP at 4,000 RPMs.
BUT the hidden nugget shows up at the lower RPMs where we look to do better than stock...

ALSO, we have not noticed any bad affects on MPG.... Tire pressure looks to affect it more than the snorkel.

Please look over the numbers and let us know your thoughts -GOOD or BAD...
what this means to me ----> One step closer to getting this sucker on my ride....Megatron is going to be like "What...your going to put a snorkel on me....oh shit...this means were going to get serious in our water crossings huh" and I am going to be like..."your damn skippy...Megatron... lets go get you dirty....you morphing offroading alien beast!!!!!"
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 12:50 PM
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Really decent results. Not bad at all. Seems that filter helps to counter the affect a hair. Will the filter come with the kit or is that extra? Congrats for staying in the nominal range
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bingote
What about water tests?? That's what i care about with a snorkel!!
I have but one thing to say..... or show...
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hombredelassrtas
Really decent results. Not bad at all. Seems that filter helps to counter the affect a hair. Will the filter come with the kit or is that extra? Congrats for staying in the nominal range
Looking at the numbers not sure... Might let the customer add the filter they want to use...
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugged_Ridge

I have but one thing to say..... or show...
Damn... Where's the modular piece that goes on the spare? Lol!

Keep it up!
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