I think my dealer is F@&:$ing me
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Benton, La
Your experience my be different, but in my experience, the dealers suck. When I went there to buy an oil filter for my 2012 he asked me which engine it had in it. They told me I had to change the oil every 3 months or it would void the warranty. They told me that using synthetic oil could void the warranty. They told me when I took it in for the slow clock TSB that all of my driveline fluids were filthy and needed replacement (I had just replaced all of these fluids myself two weeks prior).
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JK Junkie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: brick, nj
Many of our clocks suffer from losing 3-6 minutes per month. Last summer Chrysler came out with a service bulletin to fix the problem. You must bring all keys with you when they do the work since they need to get reprogrammed. I don't remember the service bulletin number but do a google search for jeep slow clock TSB ad you should find it.
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Benton, La
Many of our clocks suffer from losing 3-6 minutes per month. Last summer Chrysler came out with a service bulletin to fix the problem. You must bring all keys with you when they do the work since they need to get reprogrammed. I don't remember the service bulletin number but do a google search for jeep slow clock TSB ad you should find it.
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JK Junkie
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From: brick, nj
JK Junkie
Joined: Mar 2012
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From: Denver, CO
Oh clearly you're right. Those idiots at Honda and Toyota clearly all need to get MBAs so they can understand this simple truth, since they're all making fools of themselves by producing vehicles that last for hundreds of thousands of miles. You should send them an email before they end up ruining themselves... 
"Get an MBA. You'll understand." Please...
"Get an MBA. You'll understand." Please...
JK Junkie
Joined: Mar 2012
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From: Denver, CO
I think one of the confusing sentiments in this thread is "designed to fail" versus "building it good enough". Designing something to fail can end in a lawsuit. You won't find documentation in file shares at automotive manufacturing companies that recommends or advises their engineers to design things that fail. What they can do, however, is design something to meet standards that is "just good enough". Anyone who's wrenched on a vehicle knows this. Pop clips that can't be reused, self-tapping screws that strip, self-tapping screws in the frame, etc. I mean, look at the JK water pump failures. We all know there are better water pumps used in other vehicles, so why didn't Jeep borrow one from Ford, or Toyota when they knew we'd be using these Jeeps in very remote locations? Well, because it was cheaper not to, and because they got a few vehicles to pass their warranty testing with the original water pump, they called it a day. If every automaker built their vehicles like the old Mercedes 300D's, the average ownership span of a new vehicle would be longer than the current 7-ish years that it is now. This isn't MBA material. This is high-school level Business 101.
JK Freak
Joined: Oct 2013
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From: North Port, FL
it wasn't a jab at you or anybody. It's a slap on the modern business's model today. There was a very good article in business weekly about how the MBA has killed the American business and quality of product. My apologies if the sarcasm didn't shine through on that last comment. Don't be so damn sensitive, things won't offend so easily.
(dude - love the back-handed apology followed immediately by a jab - total win there)
That being said, it's easy to misinterpret the intent of forum posts. We still disagree, but that's cool.
Jeep on.
JK Freak
Joined: May 2012
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From: Dallas
Cars are better today, even our Jeeps, than anything built 20 years ago. I think the deal is they cost 4 times as much as they did 20 years ago. I used to buy a new car every two years because I knew after my cars got to around 30,000 miles they would start to be crap. My Jeep just flipped 35,000 miles on the way home from the dealership after getting a "head job". Haha. It drives great. Runs ok too. Funny thing is, if I compare it to my first Corvette( an 82), it rides better, is FASTER, accelerates quicker, and gets better gas mileage. That a four door JEEP is even compared to any year corvette is hilarious. But it is true. And the Corvette? 20,000 miles and it was done for. As for the OP that said his infinity lasted 200,000+ miles? Normal. They are great cars. As are Hondas, Toyotas, Lexus, etc. just about any product built within the last 10'years is substantially better than older cars. Working where I work, I see high end cars daily. BMWs are bad cars to maintain. Maseratis are the worst. Trash.
. I think the main thing is. Cars cost more now and our expectations are really high.
. I think the main thing is. Cars cost more now and our expectations are really high.
Last edited by Collyn; Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01 AM.