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soft top/windshield fit... how close? (more damn leaks)

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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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The header looks like it's warped too, so you can probably have your dealer install the new metal one.
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mkjeep
Uh, don't mess with your widows too much at 36 degrees, you'll crack em.
Thanks for the heads up. I knew that from reading on here and just didn't think about it, but I was pretty gentle with 'em, so no problems.

Originally Posted by JK Freedom
Untight all the bolts (don't remove them) of the windshield (read your manual), the windshield can gain 1/4" backward.
I don't think moving the windshield back would help any. The way it is now, the front of the soft top sits too high more than too far back.

Originally Posted by Dr.McNinja
Leave the sail panels in, although with as cold as it is, you might not get the stretch you need anyway. Let it sit in the direct sun (or a heated garage). Once it's a little warm, firmly push down on the header bar until it is closer to the windshield. Mine actually "pops" when it is seated. Sometimes one side will and one side won't and it will be lopsided for me. I really only get a good seat if I have the rear not attached. However, when it is cold, don't do it or you won't get the rear ever attached with the front latched. Only difference sunrider makes is that there is an extra fold. You don't have to take it completely down, just unlatch the windshield hooks and take the door surround trim out of the rails.
Unfortunately I don't have a garage to work in, or that's definitely where I would've been last night, but it's supposed to be sunny and in the low 60s today, so I may go out and mess with it some more here in a bit (still only 47 right now... I'll let it warm up a little more). I was watching that video from Jeep again last night and he actually mentions the popping sound when it's in place, but he says it right after something about the sunrider, so I wasn't sure if it applied. I'll see what I can do with it out in the sun and let you know if I can make any difference then.

Thanks again for everyone's help and advise so far.
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 11:49 AM
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Ok, so I went outside in the sunlight and (relative) warmth to see if I could get it seated any better. I took out the windows, then tried it, like Dr.McNinja suggested, with the sail panels still tucked in. Then I tried it with them untucked. Both got about the same result both times, which was a somewhat tighter fit at the corners (better than what I had started with, but not nearly the tight fit that Robb's pics show) but a still significant gap across the center (it may be a smaller gap, but still quite visible). So I really don't think that it's a simple problem of seating.

Guess the next step is the dealer...
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 05:23 AM
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I had the same problem. I took mine to the dealer and they said the header was bowed. So they replaced it. One week later and after 4 days of rain my driver side floor is absolutely soaked again and even under the seat. Now I dont know where it's leaking but its B.S. that we have to deal with it. I just went outside and my windows are greenhoused from all the moisture inside. Now not only does the water inside suck but its starting to smell. I wish I could return it cause this is multiple attempts to fix it.
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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Please forgive my attempts at explaining this, I don't know if I'm using the right terms for the parts or not.

I had an issue with my 2 dr X not seating on the windshield properly. There was a huge gap...like barely able to get the header latches to connect to their anchor points. This was the first night I owned the Jeep, garage wasn't cleaned out, and I was freaking out about leaving the Jeep outside without the top on properly.

What I ended up finding was the sunrider latches were not latched. As much pulled, pushing, and tugging I could do on the frame wasn't getting them to latch either. I looked farther back and the portion of the frame that the sunrider latches connect to was not seated properly behind the door frame. If you look where the sunrider latches are and follow the frame back, it does a 90 degree bend and follows behind the door frame (sorry this is where my terminology falls completely apart). What I ended up having to do is remove both side windows, get a set of Irwin Quickgrip clamps with soft faces, put one side behind the top frame (behind the door frame) and the other side in front of the door frame and slowly apply pressure to get the frame to seat. Once it seated there the sunrider latches clicked in place and the header mated to the windshield no problem. I had to do this twice on my Jeep.

I later found out this problem was from improper sunrider use (I was using the salesman's instruction rather than reading the manual). Once I started using the sunrider properly the problem never returned.

Hopefully this made sense and will help you. If not let me know and I'll snap some pictures to send your way.
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by XtremeX2K
I had the same problem. I took mine to the dealer and they said the header was bowed. So they replaced it. One week later and after 4 days of rain my driver side floor is absolutely soaked again and even under the seat. Now I dont know where it's leaking but its B.S. that we have to deal with it. I just went outside and my windows are greenhoused from all the moisture inside. Now not only does the water inside suck but its starting to smell. I wish I could return it cause this is multiple attempts to fix it.
The first time your carpets got soaked (before you had it "fixed" at the dealership), did you take them out and dry them completely? If not, I can tell you from my recent experience that if you leave them in there and expect them to dry, the never will. So they may not have gotten wet again after the fix, they may have just remained wet from before. Not saying that's what happened, and I don't know the circumstances, but it's a possibility. And yes, it's absolutely ridiculous that we have to deal with all of this shit with vehicles this new (I mean, it would be one thing if it were one or two here and there, but it seems like the majority are having these issues). I'm getting really, really tired of it, personally.

Originally Posted by jkracing37
Please forgive my attempts at explaining this, I don't know if I'm using the right terms for the parts or not.

I had an issue with my 2 dr X not seating on the windshield properly. There was a huge gap...like barely able to get the header latches to connect to their anchor points. This was the first night I owned the Jeep, garage wasn't cleaned out, and I was freaking out about leaving the Jeep outside without the top on properly.

What I ended up finding was the sunrider latches were not latched. As much pulled, pushing, and tugging I could do on the frame wasn't getting them to latch either. I looked farther back and the portion of the frame that the sunrider latches connect to was not seated properly behind the door frame. If you look where the sunrider latches are and follow the frame back, it does a 90 degree bend and follows behind the door frame (sorry this is where my terminology falls completely apart). What I ended up having to do is remove both side windows, get a set of Irwin Quickgrip clamps with soft faces, put one side behind the top frame (behind the door frame) and the other side in front of the door frame and slowly apply pressure to get the frame to seat. Once it seated there the sunrider latches clicked in place and the header mated to the windshield no problem. I had to do this twice on my Jeep.

I later found out this problem was from improper sunrider use (I was using the salesman's instruction rather than reading the manual). Once I started using the sunrider properly the problem never returned.

Hopefully this made sense and will help you. If not let me know and I'll snap some pictures to send your way.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm not sure how much of it applies to my situation because my JK is an early '07 and does not have the sunrider top. In the instructional video from Jeep, the guy mentions that you should hear a snap when seating the front of the top, but I don't know if that's just for the sunrider tops. Haven't heard from anyone who also has an early '07 without a sunrider yet... anyone out there? Anyone?
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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The snap he is talking about is where the rails catch into a clip right above the driver and passenger doors. Do you have this clip? If you do you would know because you have to release it to lower the top.

I have it but I have a sunrider.

For those of you with wet floors you should look into the Mopar rubber floor liner.
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellbound13
The snap he is talking about is where the rails catch into a clip right above the driver and passenger doors. Do you have this clip? If you do you would know because you have to release it to lower the top.

I have it but I have a sunrider.

For those of you with wet floors you should look into the Mopar rubber floor liner.
I looked around in there pretty good when I was taking down and putting up the top on Sunday trying to see if it would seat better, and think I would've noticed some clips. They (and the snap) must just be an addition that came along with the sunrider.
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by btb01
I looked around in there pretty good when I was taking down and putting up the top on Sunday trying to see if it would seat better, and think I would've noticed some clips. They (and the snap) must just be an addition that came along with the sunrider.
Yes you would definitely notice the clips as you would have to push them in to release the soft top to lower. They are right above the driver door as you get in the Jeep.
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 09:03 AM
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I had the same problem. Went to the dealership and they said..."oh...there is a new style header bar." A day later and a $0.00 bill (warranty) and the whistling stopped. Now if I could only get the damn rain out....!!!!!!!
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