Didnt Will already smoke one clutch? Im dont remember what caused it, but I remember reading the thread awhile ago.

 

yeah, but not so sure it was from fording it was something warranty related.....its all good being in second or whatever tillyou get stuck...then what?


also, warranty wont cover any damage from off roading.

 

Thats the most absurd thing I've heard all week. I've owned manual transmission vehicles nearly my entire life and I've NEVER shifted without the clutch.

There's a reason its there.

I'm sure its possible, but its not meant to be done - or they wouldn't give you a clutch - and I don't see in any way how not shifting without the clutch disqualifies anyone from using a manual transmission.

Care to enlighten me on how you shift without the clutch?

 

I don't know how to drive an automatic trans:confused: . But I don't know how to shift w/o a cluch.... I didn't even know you could.... I don't think you should but thats just me not knowing anything. So how do you do it? why would you do this? I just put it in 2 and give it some ass and I get through.

 

I didnt remember how he did it, I just remember one went on him. But you gotta admit with Will, water and mud are usually there. His brakes definitely did get screwed up that way. And I dont mean to pick on Will here, he is a great guy and awesome to wheel with, he just is the first one that comes to mind with mud and water. But I know sometimes stuff just breaks. But anyway, Is shifting under water over played? maybe. Hell , I know I used to shift my cherokee in water alot and never had a problem, but I know people have ruined their clutches that way. So I do try to avoid doing it, but lately I have avoided deep water/mud anyway. Deep mud/water is really fun, but the only time I broke stuff was in it. And the JK isnt as cheap to fix as my cherokees were.

 

haha very true...glad i have a manual too!!

 

shifting with out the clutch, no big deal, my mechanic is laughing at you all now, yes it is easier to shift with the clutch so the syncros do all the gear alignment for you. as said be for it is simple to do, find the gear step, the amount of rpm difference between gears when shifting normally around 500 rpms. you start in first rpms go to 2500 slip outta first go to second at 2000 rpms it tasks skills, truck drivers do this all day.

 

I'll have to side with the mechanics laughing about this one.
True, you generally do shift without the clutch in a big truck, but a huge difference is that big truck transmissions don't have synchronizers, and are in fact designed to be shifted without the clutch.
Synchronized transmissions are definitely NOT designed to be shifted without the clutch.
When you shift your synchronized transmission without the clutch, as you apply pressure to the shifter until that split second when the engaging gears rpm's match perfectly and the gear meshes, you are putting a much heavier load on the synchro than it was designed to withstand. Instead of asking the synchro to speed up or slow down the gear and shaft that it is attached to to match your vehicle speed, you are now asking it to speed up or slow down the engine to match the vehicle speed (which of course it can not do). Extreme heat and wear is the result.
Now I'm not saying I wouldn't shift without the clutch to limp home if I couldn't get the clutch to release, but it sure ain't doing your tranny any favors.
Magnumbob

 

Ok...OK...I didn't want to start this Pi?***g contest... I just wondered, I will just go threw water in second...geezze who would of thought that this would end up beeing a "if you don't know how to then..." Needless to say, I have shifted standards without clutches forever in all my other vehicules, never had to repair any. (M-22's T-5's, T-10's, Toplaoders, A833 and more). Thanks for all the great info.

 

Shifting without clutch is easy... as long as you match your RPM's. I started doing this with my new escort when I was 18, and have done it on every vehicle since. Never a tranny problem.

You guys that don't (can't) do it, quit knocking those that do (can).