Notices
JK Electrical, Lighting & Sound Systems Bulletin board forum regarding topics such as stereo head units, CD players, MP3 players, speaker systems, amplifiers, hardmounted GPS devices, computers, headlight upgrades, fog lights, off-road lights, general wiring and anti-theft devices.

12V to 110V converter question

Thread Tools
 
Old Nov 14, 2011 | 02:46 AM
  #1  
FireCaptain's Avatar
Thread Starter
JK Enthusiast
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
From: Beaumont, Tx
Default 12V to 110V converter question

I have never used a 12V to 110V converter before. We camp out now and my wife stays up later than I do. We have a small TV/DVD player. If she ran it for like 2 hours for a movie a night, would she kill the battery? Does the engine have to be running on the vehicle for best results? I am sure if you ran a compressor or something big the engine would have to be running, but small things?
Reply
Old Nov 14, 2011 | 09:03 AM
  #2  
Nomadr's Avatar
JK Enthusiast
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 206
Likes: 0
From: Fulltime RVer
Default

Inverters are not very efficient when it comes to converting 12V to 110V. There are ways to figure out how much power you will use from knowing the wattage of everything you are running, the efficiency rate of the inverter, and the amp hours of your battery, but that is a lot of math to get a good estimate. You would probably be best off running a dual battery setup with an isolator and a low volt cutoff. This will make sure that you have enough power to get it started in the morning.

Another option is to buy a rechargeable power source and use that for running your 110V items, and leave your battery to starting the Jeep. You can get a power source that charges from the Jeep while you are driving.
Reply
Old Nov 14, 2011 | 11:38 AM
  #3  
JK-Ford's Avatar
JK Junkie
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,297
Likes: 8
From: Cabot, Ar.
Default

Amp/Hour ratings are tough to figure. There are a lot of different variables to consider. Even air temp has an effect on battery discharge. Finding the load is easy. All the information is stamped on the equipment. Each battery manufacturer has a basic chart for A/H ratings on their specific battery.
Reply
Old Nov 14, 2011 | 01:00 PM
  #4  
Freewill's Avatar
JK Super Freak
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,715
Likes: 11
From: Olympia, WA
Default

I run an inverter in our RV for TV, among other things, and have worked some of it out. As already said, there are several variables so this is ballpark info only.

If your TV/DVD is a small travel device, then 100 watts is a reasonable assumption for power consumption. You can get the exact number off the TV.

An inverter runs at about 85% percent efficiency, so the power needed is more like 100/85, or around 118 watts. Watts = volts X amps, so amps = watts/volts. Or, amps = 118/12. The result rounds to 10 amp hours. If the TV runs for 2 hours, then it will pull about 20 amps from the battery. Use the nameplate rating on the TV to figure your power.

In this example the Jeep battery can probably provide around 100 amps. (Forget CCA, that rating is good for about 2 seconds.) If you run the TV for two hours and use 20 amps, you should have 80% of the battery left for starting. If you camp for more than one day without driving the Jeep, it should start and run for about 15 minutes during the day. Set the idle up if you have a programmer.

Test this in the driveway at home before trying it in the bush.

You could also carry a sealed AMG battery (Optima is one of many AGM brands). This battery type won't spill in your Jeep, and would probably run the TV for a week or more at 2 hours a day. Ask the battery store for a deep-cycle RV type AGM 12 volt battery.

If you use an AGM, be sure to get a home charger that works on AGM batteries. There is a difference. The battery store will help you with this.
Reply
Old Nov 14, 2011 | 05:36 PM
  #5  
FireCaptain's Avatar
Thread Starter
JK Enthusiast
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
From: Beaumont, Tx
Default

Tnx for info, will start looking into it more.
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2011 | 06:57 AM
  #6  
Merlin75's Avatar
JK Enthusiast
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, California, United States
Default

The Black and Decker Electromate is awesome for this.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-V.../dp/B000EJS9IM

12v/110v AND jump starting. I had one stolen and bought a replacement because it was so useful
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2011 | 07:09 AM
  #7  
Noxian's Avatar
JK Super Freak
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,208
Likes: 2
From: Manitoba
Default

Chances are if its a newer LCD DVD/TV, it has a power brick that is already taking 120volts AC and converting it to 12volts DC to supply the TV. so what you can do is find a universal 12volt cigarette adapter that changes the plug end to match your TV input.

You'll want to check out the input voltage and amperage on the TV adapter and the TV/DVD player itself to make sure the adapter will be sufficient.


This will be MUCH more efficient since it wont be flipping between DC to AC then back to DC again.

If its a Tube style tv then all bets are off since it will require 120volts AC and alot more current than a LCD TV

You could also just bring a laptop instead of a TV and DVD player since they have batteries already

Last edited by Noxian; Nov 15, 2011 at 07:11 AM.
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2011 | 07:11 AM
  #8  
Cold's Avatar
JK Enthusiast
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 323
Likes: 1
From: Portland Oregon
Default

Merlin75 empty your inbox
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2011 | 11:06 AM
  #9  
Merlin75's Avatar
JK Enthusiast
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, California, United States
Default

Originally Posted by Cold
Merlin75 empty your inbox
done... blah I wish there was a warning about that lol
Reply




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:58 AM.