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Creating a Switch to Shut Off Cylinders on the Fly

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Old Sep 17, 2008 | 06:31 AM
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not to mention the 3.8 does not provide enough power running on all 6 cylinders, torun off a cylinder or two and be prepared to not be able to maintain speed
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Old Sep 17, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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X's 2 on that. I know its not a race car but they could of done alittle better than this 3.8.
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 05:51 AM
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My wifes car has a 3.2 with almost twice the power of the jeep. Just sad.
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Okie4WD
My wifes car has a 3.2 with almost twice the power of the jeep. Just sad.
Really? What car/truck does that come in? I want a 410 horsepower, 480 ft/lbs of torque in that motor.
Or are you talking about power equals work divided by time, which can't be true unless that motor pulls a vehicle weighing twice as much as the Jeep over the same distance.

People, they went with a motor they had, that wouldn't break down every 1000 miles. If they had gone with a new motor (and when they do), the forum will be full of people bitching about the motor not working correctly. Don't like the power, there are lots of ways to supplement it. None of them are cheap, but a Hemi wouldn't be cheap from the factory either.
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 08:36 AM
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Valves haven't a thing to do with volumetric displacement. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Displacement is calculated by using only two things. Bore and stroke. That's all. Here is the formula:

Bore X Bore X Stroke X .785 X number of cylinders.

Example:

Chevy 350 (4.00" bore 3.48" stroke)

4.00" X 4.00" X 3.48" X .785 X 8 = 349.6704

4.00" X 4.00" = 16

16 X Stroke (3.48") = 55.68

55.68 X .785 = 43.7088

43.7088 X 8 = 349.6704

Valves are nowhere in the equation. Never have been. Never will be. The valves have no effect on volume whatsoever.


Originally Posted by JeepaRoo
most of the engines that do this successfully also change the displacement by altering the valves as well... since these are not direct injection engines but merely the fuel is injected into the intake runners near that cylinder you would in effect lean out the cylinders near it and also issue misfire codes via the PCM.. the O2 sensors would see an extra lean condition and issue a code also and then try to richen the mixture by holding the other injectors open longer.. this would then run those remaining 4 cylinders in the engine too rich for complete combustion..

why is this? because the 1 cylinder in each bank you cut out would be pumping pure air out of the exhaust valve indicating a lean burn condition to the O2 sensor... in effect the other 2 cylinders might be burning correctly.. so then the PCM richens the mixture killing the efficiency of those cylinders in that bank so that the 2 running cylinders mixed with the pure air from the 1 cut out cylonder in the bank make the o2 sensor happy...

the result? you'd likely use more gas than just running the V6 as intended.... that is if you didnt send the PCM into Limp home mode which really uses the fuel....
-Christopher
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RedneckJeep
Valves haven't a thing to do with volumetric displacement. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Displacement is calculated by using only two things. Bore and stroke. That's all. Here is the formula:

Bore X Bore X Stroke X .785 X number of cylinders.

Example:

Chevy 350 (4.00" bore 3.48" stroke)

4.00" X 4.00" X 3.48" X .785 X 8 = 349.6704

4.00" X 4.00" = 16

16 X Stroke (3.48") = 55.68

55.68 X .785 = 43.7088

43.7088 X 8 = 349.6704

Valves are nowhere in the equation. Never have been. Never will be. The valves have no effect on volume whatsoever.
I think he was implying that opening the exhaust valves during (what would normally be) the compression cycle would reduce energy lost to compression (heating) of air in a cylinder during deactivation mode.

I still say just splice a switch into the injector harness and report back. Better yet, disconnect the injector connector.
After all, if the answer to improved MPG is as easy as using electrolysis to break down water, then burning the hydrogen, something as simple as turning off the injectors must work, too. Right? It's so obvious, Big Oil thinks we would overlook it.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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redneck: yes i agree valves have nothing to do with physical displacement of an engine... however to let the valves operate as normal but cut off the fuel will resukt in MUCH lost energy due to compression.. and like i say these engines are not direct injection but merely runner-injected fuel so there is a chance that some fuel could cross from one injector to one of the "shut off" cylnders.. so thats why in a simple scenerio you would need to be able to operate the valves.. but you are "effectively" varying displacement if you kill the compression, fuel , and spark to 1 or more cylinders... the pistons merely become balance weights at that point in time. and you also have to have the computer programmed correctly to run the car... the engines that do this effectively if you were to look at them are much more complex than our de-tuned mini-van engines...

really i dont see what all the fuss is about.. I can easily achieve 21-23 Highway MPG with my 3.21 gears and going 65 MPH... if i want to get somewhere Fast I'll drive my 385 Stroker small block... 4.040" bore x 3.75" stroke, if I want good gas mileage id have bought a Hinda Fit... But I like to be able to go anywhere i feel like and do it with no doors and no top so i bought a JeeP.
-Christopher
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JeepaRoo
redneck: yes i agree valves have nothing to do with physical displacement of an engine... however to let the valves operate as normal but cut off the fuel will resukt in MUCH lost energy due to compression.. and like i say these engines are not direct injection but merely runner-injected fuel so there is a chance that some fuel could cross from one injector to one of the "shut off" cylnders.. so thats why in a simple scenerio you would need to be able to operate the valves.. but you are "effectively" varying displacement if you kill the compression, fuel , and spark to 1 or more cylinders... the pistons merely become balance weights at that point in time. and you also have to have the computer programmed correctly to run the car... the engines that do this effectively if you were to look at them are much more complex than our de-tuned mini-van engines...

really i dont see what all the fuss is about.. I can easily achieve 21-23 Highway MPG with my 3.21 gears and going 65 MPH... if i want to get somewhere Fast I'll drive my 385 Stroker small block... 4.040" bore x 3.75" stroke, if I want good gas mileage id have bought a Hinda Fit... But I like to be able to go anywhere i feel like and do it with no doors and no top so i bought a JeeP.
-Christopher

Right. I didn't understand what the big deal was either. If the OP wanted an economy car, Toyota wouldda been glad to have sold him one.
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Old Sep 20, 2008 | 06:34 AM
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i say let him cut the wires!!!!!!
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Old Sep 20, 2008 | 06:44 AM
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I don’t know what all the fuss is about, my Jeep is so good on gas consumption now I have to stop every fifty miles or so and siphon a little out on the ground.
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