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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mhutch
I think 5 kittens just died. Sad.
I'm a dog person, so I don't care. Now if puppies start dying, we're going to have a problem. lol Besides a certain amount of kittens need to die anyway, how else would Chinese delivery places keep up with demand for General Tso's?
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 06:48 PM
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what do you guys mean by kittens just died?
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jackedturtle
what do you guys mean by kittens just died?
since you're also new here, i'll clue you in...it's a running joke...every time someone calls a jeep a "car".
here's the thread that started it all (at least i think it is): https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...ghlight=kitten

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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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yes i installed it 2 days ago, cost me 700 bucks
$700 and you installed it yourself?! Why not take it to a place like Ziebart where even our most exspensive alarm combo is no more than $500 INSTALLED for you!.... Sorry thats insane...And thats for a Prestige/Audiovox 9801 with lcd confirming remote! Well anyways i am glad you got it in and working! Cant tell you how nice a remote starter is!

I also dont mean to steal this thread but im curious if putnumdan has any experience with remote start units...Everytime anyone mentions use of a remote start he is quick to point out that all security is bypassed. I have asked this before and i will ask again. Please state the facts on which you base this opinion on. :toung:
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by James76
$700 and you installed it yourself?! Why not take it to a place like Ziebart where even our most exspensive alarm combo is no more than $500 INSTALLED for you!.... Sorry thats insane...And thats for a Prestige/Audiovox 9801 with lcd confirming remote! Well anyways i am glad you got it in and working! Cant tell you how nice a remote starter is!

I also dont mean to steal this thread but im curious if putnumdan has any experience with remote start units...Everytime anyone mentions use of a remote start he is quick to point out that all security is bypassed. I have asked this before and i will ask again. Please state the facts on which you base this opinion on. :toung:
Interestingly, Code Alarm is owned by Audiovox.
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 04:15 AM
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I think the engine and interior temerature readout is very cool. I also like the parking meter timer, and the fact the remote alerts you when someone has triggered the alarm.

I wonder what other cool features they are putting in some of the alarm systems out there?
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 04:40 AM
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I'm thinking he had it professionally installed and that's why it was 700 bucks. Is that right Jacked?
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by putnam dan
I have a personal interest in crptology and car security is currently one of the most interesting areas of study. I hope its OK to post a little wikepedia on here to give you a taste of the challenge for WIFI or Remote techonologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeeLoq

In all cases where remote technology is used, you are essentially revealing your key. Now we are not talking the smash and grab, opportunist thief here, we are talking about the technologically savvy who will target high end or desirable autos - which I would have thought would include the JK right now given the demand.

It seems many ex cold war scientists have found something new to do, and I would have thought that the coolest system would be your car being there when you get back not a buzzing in your pocket to tell you its gone.

The reason I mentioned this before, I belive, was in reference to the chip in the Jeep key which the remote start will render useless, the thief does not have to wait for the car to be started they can just hotwire the car. Your secruity should defeat the opportunist but not the expert - physical security - parking in a safer and well lit spot, removing a component such as a battery isolater (much cheaper) or steering wheel (aka caterham seven) would also help.

In reality most efficient car theft is someone with a flatbed who will just lift your car with the alarm blaring, looking all official, stickers and all, and nicely defeating all the security in the world. Park tight and keep your steering lock on :p
I am still not sure i follow how using a remote you are revealing your key as you say here. You are not transmitting your key code, you are transmitting a code (which also changes every time you use it) which simply tells the unit to initialize or shut down. The key code comes from the bypass which for Chrysler's must be programmed to that specific vehicle and will not work on any other vehicle, nor the same one it was programmed for if changes to the electronics occur. You also talk of physical security. With an alarm that is properly installed and features a starter kill relay, it is physically impossible or at least hard enough to make someone move on. As you said if someone wants the car they will flat bed it away. So lets say someone has enough gumption to master the code hoping transmitter and sends out a signal to start your JK. Providing you arent near the vehicle and you dont have a 2 way pager feature on the remote, your jeep starts up and the thief has approx. 20 minutes to steal the vehicle. They must enter the vehicle still which if you have a soft top is easy enough but still takes up valuable time, then once inside they must remove the dash panels taking up about 1-2 mins. Thats assuming they have been into a JK before and already have the tools out and ready to go. So now they have about 10-15 mins depending on how long it took to get this far. They clip the brake shut down wire somehow bypass the keysense device (oh yes you must have the key in to put the jeep into gear) They start to back out of your driveway and whats this the Jeep shuts down! It has been 20 minutes! Or even if they were ungodly quick about it theyd be lucky to get around the corner

Another note is that if you have a modified suspension and huge tires, most tow companies i know of wont even load the Jeep up for fear of a roll over or tearing up their aluminum beds


Will a thief be able to steal a JK with an alarm of this magnitude IF he or she truely wants YOUR jeep?

Hell yes they can. Thieves are the most ingenious people when it comes to getting what they want, but really if they have to go through ALL of that trouble 9 times out of 10 they will find an easier target. I should know my uncle is in jail for attempted grand theft auto Thats why i became interested in electronics and theft deterrents. And thats all these are is deterrents If you honestly fear terrorists stalking you and figuring out your "random code hopping transmitters" then maybe you should not own something that CAN be stolen or at least park it in a garage or better yet everytime you get out take the entire engine out or put it on blocks so theives think its already been stripped..The only sure fire way to prevent something you love from being the target of theft is not to own that something at all
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by James76
$700 and you installed it yourself?! Why not take it to a place like Ziebart where even our most exspensive alarm combo is no more than $500 INSTALLED for you!.... Sorry thats insane...And thats for a Prestige/Audiovox 9801 with lcd confirming remote! Well anyways i am glad you got it in and working! Cant tell you how nice a remote starter is!

I also dont mean to steal this thread but im curious if putnumdan has any experience with remote start units...Everytime anyone mentions use of a remote start he is quick to point out that all security is bypassed. I have asked this before and i will ask again. Please state the facts on which you base this opinion on. :toung:

it was 700 with installation lol
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SaharaBlackNo1
I'm thinking he had it professionally installed and that's why it was 700 bucks. Is that right Jacked?
yuppp 700 was including installation. this place that does alarms and customized audio for a dealer called f.c.kerbeck. which only sells porche, bently, aston martins and such
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