i'm sorry but, are you saying that the bumper in question is yours? oh, the irony - this just gets funnier and funnier. believe what you will but, you're kidding yourself if you really think that you or your bumper are so special that i would "run over" anywhere with my camera just to take some pictures of it. likewise, i find your anger towards me to be laughable. since you seem to have forgotten, i think i need to remind you that i'm not the one who made your bumper nor am i the one who sold it to you.

i could have sworn you had already said as much

 

Leave town, I don't know why your so pissed. If you like your bumper then you like it. You don't have to defend it.

Those are some terrible welds on that bumpers and WOL has pics to back up his statements. I'm not a welder and that is crystal clear.

What makes you think that those are pics of your bumpers???

 

I remember seeing those painted bumpers on Leave Town's Jeep in the photos he posted here on the site. Actually I think it was just the front bumper I saw. Not too many people have this body color matched Red Rock Fab bumpers on their Jeep. In the picture he posted it looked very good! I liked the design and color match. The close up pictures showing that detail tells a different story. If I had an inexperienced buddy fab them up in their home shop I would still not be pleased with the quality I see in these pictures. If I paid nearly as much as I did for my Hanson bumpers and this is the quality I got I would be pissed off to say the least, and would ask for my money back and return the bumpers. If the company did not take care of the problem I would take these pictures myself and place them all over the internet to show the lack of quality until they agreed to give me a refund.

If this is a one bumper issue, no company should let this type of work be released to any customer, even if it is just one bumper. Piss poor in my opinion. If nothing else, how could a company like Red Rock Fab put out a product like this and not expect competitors to use it as an example of what a customer might get when they buy Red Rock Fab? Before my current career, I worked in quality control for a large construction company that specialized in structural steel fabrication and erection (lots of welding). If I would have let that type of quality be seen by a customer or worse yet a competitor (to be used as ammo against my employer), I would have been out of a job, and would have the idiot reputation in the industry, cause just like this tight off road industry, news travels quick. Red Rock Fab gave their competitors ammo is all they did here with this poor quality, shame on them.

Leave Town, your Jeep is sweet and IMO it is worthy of a much better product then that! Have them show everyone how great their customer service is and have them correct this for you, one way or the other.

 

i agree those pictures posted are absolutely horrific welds, and i wouldnt put it on my Jeep

but i have seen plenty of Red Rock Fab bumpers that have flawless welds as well, i guess it takes one bad duckling to give a company a bad name

 

I can't help but think of an ancient Japanese proverb that goes:

"The reputation of a thousand bumpers is determined by the quality welds of one bumper."






I'm getting Expedition One Trail Series front & rear bumpers anyways....so I could care less about the welds in the Red Rock Fabs....but it is odd to see so many people defend their bumpers' honor. Is this a Jeep thing?

 

so prove it. if you're in an industry or around so many jeeps that allows you to see "plenty" of examples, by all means, post up some close up shots of what you have. otherwise, you're just all talk.

LOL!! you make it sound as if the company in question had no involvement in making this "bad duckling" or actually allowing it to be seen in public. as ctimrun pointed out, "no company should let this type of work be released to any customer, even if it is just one bumper." why guys like you would try to defend them is beyond me.

 

c'mon now i was actually being nice.. are you saying that any sponsor here has never had a bad ducking in their product line??? why do you defend them???

doesnt mean that overall the product is bad, plenty of Full Traction bushing horror stories, yet doesnt mean they make a bad product overall (just one example)

 

LOL!! just because i was asking you to PROVE your fabricated claims doesn't mean i wasn't being nice. but, i figured you'd be the kind of guy to respond as you have. rather than back up your fabricated claims with proof as i have, you instead attempt to divert everyones attention by trying to point out that other sponsors have "bad ducklings" as well - nice.

that's a matter of opinion. i can't speak for anyone else but, the overall product looks terrible to me and the welds on the one d-ring mount is concerning to me. looking at all the pinholes, i also wonder about the welding quality that you can't see like in where the plates come together as they have been ground down and poorly at that. if you're cool with shoddy welds and would still consider this to be a product that is overall not bad, more power to you.

yup, they ordered a big batch of lower control arm bushings from Energy Suspension and made the stupid mistake of not doing a quality inspection check. needless to say, there were a lot of people who had bushing problems and so they took a beating for it as they should have. certainly, there were posts about it and as i recall, nobody came to their defense. if anything, guys like me actually took the time to point out the problem to people so that they could get it fixed. need proof?

https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/modified-jk-tech-2/driveshaft-problem-62183/

of course, this really isn't about a batch of bad bushing but rather, this is just your sorry attempt to get people to take their eyes of off the truth, terrible welds and finishing work as shown as proof in the pics that i posted.

 

how many Red Rock bumpers have you seen with bad welds???

i havent personally seen it wth my 2 eyes, but on other forums, where people can post pictures of these products, people seem very happy with the product

again, that example that you posted definitely is bad, I completely agree, but it is just one example, are you saying that without a doubt every single bumper they produce has these kinds of welds???

 

that's funny, when you said "but i have seen plenty of Red Rock Fab bumpers that have flawless welds as well", i was under the impression you were speaking from actual close up examination like i've had. also, as far as being able to see pics of these products go, you mean like Leave Town? since you're so good about purposefully neglecting the truth and facts, i think i should remind you that HE posted a bunch of pics of his bumpers here AND seemed to be very happy with the product. NEED PROOF?

https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/jk-talk-26/so-i-got-my-shipment-today-62499/

what a surprise of course, from far away, the bumpers look fine.

since you seem to have forgotten, i am not the one who made this "one example" nor am i the one who allowed it to be SOLD to a customer. all i have done is given an honest observation to dacabooseX who specifically asked for "thoughts" on these bumpers. you on the other hand questioned what i was saying and so unlike you, i provided PROOF. but hey, who gives a hoot about proof