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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by saharaharry
Another m--r=n heard from
While we are at it. Whats a "lemom"?
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mr72
The flaw with the Jeep top is assuming it can be sealed. They need to assume it will leak and find a way to deal with water that might get in. A Miata top has an internal drip rail and intentionally channels water into the interior of the vehicle and has drains inside the interior of the car to catch it. Water never gets into any area where it's not intended to be, but they at least don't make the assumption they can keep all water out. They can't. Seals will wear and age and deform and even if they were perfect from the factory (and they never are), they will eventually begin to leak.

This is just a design flaw with the Jeep top. No amount of DIY fixing will help. It needs an engineered solution, completely different design.

Chrysler has neither the brains nor the focus to engineer a top. I am certain these are $15,000 vehicles selling at the crazy prices only because people are willing to pay. Far more engineering goes into a base model Kia than these stone age trucks. And their customer service is just as bad. "Death wobble? Never heard of it." Lol yeah okay. Talk about a design flaw that thet still refuse to acknowledge.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 10:32 AM
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Everyone knows Chrysler is the worst car company on the planet. Given that, one must be forgiving when it comes to certain things or yoy'll go crazy expecting it to work like a vehicle from a reputable car company.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 03:24 PM
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I cant understand the people in here posting that since my Jeep leaks and it concerns me, then I don't belong in a Jeep? That's a bunch of crap.
I actually bought the Jeep brand new to avoid the problems. If a brand new vehicle has problems that cannot be fixed, then its a lemon. Period.
I'm not going to Home Depot to buy something to stick to the Jeep to make a bandaid fix. I expect it to be like a new vehicle.
If my Jeep had 100k miles on it, I would understand the leaks, but I surely wouldn't be posting nonsense to new Jeep owners that its ok for their brand new vehicle to have problems and relate it to a "Jeep thing".

For you that support me, thank you. AR Lemon law states that after 3 unsuccessful attempts (which I had 4), then I should write a lemon letter to the mfg, giving them one last opportunity to fix it. That letter was delivered yesterday. Ill let you guys know what happens.

BTW, I had a 95 YJ that didn't leak, a 02 TJ that didn't leak , a 08 JK that didn't leak, a 2012 JKUR that didn't leak, a 2015 JKUR (wifes) that didn't leak. Its definitely not a Jeep thing.....
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 07:53 PM
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Don't listen to the naysayer tough guys. They're clearly all so tough they probably don't have a roof on their house because sleeping in a wet bed is "part of the Jeep life"

I've had lots of Jeeps. None of them leaked. You shouldn't have to deal with it.

Good luck with the repairs.
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Old Aug 10, 2016 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by arjeeper
Don't listen to the naysayer tough guys. They're clearly all so tough they probably don't have a roof on their house because sleeping in a wet bed is "part of the Jeep life" I've had lots of Jeeps. None of them leaked. You shouldn't have to deal with it. Good luck with the repairs.
You know me so well!
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Old Aug 10, 2016 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by arjeeper
Don't listen to the naysayer tough guys. They're clearly all so tough they probably don't have a roof on their house because sleeping in a wet bed is "part of the Jeep life"

I've had lots of Jeeps. None of them leaked. You shouldn't have to deal with it.

Good luck with the repairs.
Haha! That's funny.
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Old Aug 10, 2016 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Asinine
Based on what I know now, I'm convinced the dealer and their techs were half of the problem. If it were me, I'd take it to another dealer and get new people involved.
I would argue this is probably more the issue than the actual Jeep itself. The Jeep certainly has problems, but getting it fixed and resolved is only as effective as the techs working on it and most Chrysler techs are absolutely useless. I have to take my Jeep a good 30 miles out of town for any kind of warranty service because the two local ones here simply can't get the job done. One won't honor anything and the other can't seem to fix issues right the first, second or even third time.

And yet, the dealership out of town? No problems whatsoever. I take it to them, explain what the problem is, tell them to fix it, and it gets done. There's no bullshit, no grief that I take my Jeep with the word "Rubicon" affixed to the hood off road, and it gets right done the first time. If you can find the right dealership with the right people, I bet you'd have a vastly different experience.

As much as I love my Jeep, it frustrates me how poorly FCA and Chrysler before them seem to make such a concentrated effort to churn out a low quality product and not stand behind it.
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Old Aug 11, 2016 | 03:40 AM
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I think their logic is if they see all of us people lined up to buy them they simply do not care. People will bring their Wranglers back with the leak problem to get it fixed. And bring them back again and again for the same fix. When there is no fix. The only real fix would be a one piece removable hardtop. A lot less faulty gaskets and seals. A great number of people stop bringing their Wranglers back and give up. Very few actually follow Lemon Law to a TEE and get satisfaction of a replacement vehicle. The leak situation is not a Jeep Thing, its a Wrangler thing. As long as we all continue to buy them, they will knowingly produce them with these leaks.
I have had 2 repurchase with the leak problem. Each time after I went with a Mustang GT. But the Wrangler blood gurgles with-in me, so I have traded back to a Wrangler. Now, I have a 15 2 door and so far no leaks. But they can start at any time.
I once tried to start a Thread where-as to find out if anyone had sealed their hardtop. Like with a bed-liner material. At the time, I think the mentality here was different and there was no response. Just curious what your thoughts would be on this.
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Old Aug 11, 2016 | 05:52 AM
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Have you given any thought to fixing the problem yourself? Many Jeep owners resolve their own issues. Working up your case for a Lemon Law sounds like you don't want the Jeep to begin with and are only looking for a way out.

Most Jeep owners I know would work hard to figure out the problem and help the dealership. They would never expect Lexus/BMW/Mercedes style service.
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