1. The tips are the same for any wrangler, regardless of the model (Sahara, Rubi, etc.)
2. You bought a vehicle with a modular hard top.
3. The seals seat over time and you need to check the retaining bolts.
4. You bought ice with a modular top. (Yes, I repeated it for good reason)
5. Just about every jeep owner I know, has some sort of leak.
6. You bought a utilitarian vehicle. Not a Cadillac. And the car you mentioned? Does not have a modular top.
7. Get something else. If you get another Jeep, it will have something and you'll be dissatisfied.
8. #1,2,3,4,5,6,7 are all fact.

Buy something else. This remind apps me of my friend who bought a wrangler because he "loved" mine. Then he got the first squeak. He took it to the dealer multiple times to get it fixed. Is a jeep. Get over it.

 

Even if it's a jeep it shouldn't be "pooling" because it's leaking so bad. I'd be upset too, but I'd also try and check it out myself. Or you could take it to another jeep dealership

 

I truly wish you would buy something else.

I still contend the worst thing about being a Jeep owner is other Jeep owners.

There's a baseline expectation of quality. Just because it's a Jeep, it doesn't get a free pass on basic quality. Period. Even of most Jeep owners don't know how to evaluate even the most basic levels of quality, FCA does in fact know how to do this and it's a disgrace for them to release any vehicle with obvious design flaws and such poor quality. They would never expect a Grand Cherokee, Cherokee, Renegade, or even a Fiat 500 owner to put up with this, so why are Wrangler buyers not due the same respect? Oh yeah, because they can't tell the difference, or if they can, they say "it's a Jeep thing".

"It's a Jeep thing" that they have had more than enough time to sort out.

 

I suppose I've been around jeeps long enough to understand that seals eventually leak. Often, they will leak when new. Just as mine did, and I rectified as dealers often know less than the consumer. And if you're just learning abut that last sentence, you either bought your first car ever or you just aren't paying attention.

We can't complain about these things when we also expect pure utilitarian craftsmanship. This is purely my opinion.

Think about it. Remove your expectations of quality for 2016 vehicles. Should the seals be better? Yes. Are they? Likely not. Can you read reviews and decide to not take a risk on any given vehicle? Absolutely.

In short, there are inherent flaws of many vehicles. Jeep wranglers, CJ, TJ, JK...... All known to have quirky issues. Some worse than others. As consumers, we have a responsibility to ourselves to be educated and know the "risks" when buying any vehicle. If you ignore current resources in order to become educated, that's entirely your own demise. There are hundreds of threads regarding leaky jeep tops, for example.

I owned a Land Rover once. By far the best feeling vehicle yet the worst in reliability. I knew this going into the ownership. And it broke, a f**k ton. As reviews and friends said it would. And I didn't complain. I reached my point of saturation of the BS and sold it.

It's like learning about some woman you have to have yet everyone tells you she sleeps around. Still get with her? You have no right to bitch about her cheating. You knew. Suck it up. Be a man, own your decision.

Accountability in our decisions. It's a lost element of life.

 

If only the Jeep engineers knew the same thing, then they wouldn't utilize a design that depends fully on seals NEVER leaking.

And by making this statement here you have shown that you don't understand the problem.

 

Bullshit. That doesn't make it okay. In fact, I would argue the mentality of letting quirky issues go by just because it's a Jeep contributes to the problem. FCA will continue to churn out low-quality, badly engineered parts until consumers stand up and demand better.

The average Sport JK costs roughly $30k. A $30k vehicle should be perfect. Not mostly okay. Not a few quirky issues here and there. A new $30k vehicle that's general design has not changed in a decade shouldn't leak, shouldn't squeak, and shouldn't come with risks. It should be ****ing perfect.

 

You should of used simpler words so the MORONS understand.

 

Absolutely 100% right.

And not only that, the quality of the Renegade is FAR AND AWAY better than the JK. Heck, the out the door quality of the Fiat 500, which costs HALF of what a JK does, is also in a whole different league from the JK. I know this because I also own one! FCA KNOWS how to do this right, but they DON'T because Jeepers don't demand it. They make excuses instead.

I would love to think it's just American cars but my coworker just bought a new Cadillac SUV for pretty much exactly what I paid for my JKU last October and I am here to tell you not only is that car PERFECT in terms of quality, but it has about 10x as many features and the refinement is astronomical compared with the Jeep. If GM can pull this off, I guarantee you FCA can too. They just don't, because Jeep owners don't demand it. Ditto that for the terrible service at the dealer. They see you roll up in a Wrangler and they know good and well that you will put up with terrible customer service and shoddy work, because "it's a Jeep thing". But if you drive up in a Grand Cherokee or a Challenger I promise you they will treat you way differently.

While you guys are making excuses let me remind you that it's exceedingly rare even for 26-year-old cars for a Miata with an intact top to ever leak any water onto the passengers. In order to make it leak you have to either have a rip/tear in the top or you have to neglect basic maintenance for years on end (cleaning drains). But it's a far better design. The problem is not quality of workmanship, it's design. And Jeep doesn't fix it because we don't demand it.

 

This.

 

I love these threads.
$30k should be perfect?
Any engineer knows otherwise.
My Land Rover was $64k new, and far greater issues. Including a leak from the sun roof drains. Again, a known issue that I knew of and still bought it. It's all perspective and expectations.

And as for the name calling? Come on. Bring a valid intelligent argument or go back to the playground with the kiddos. You have a better chance insulting them. I won't drop to that level.

Tell you what. Go back to school, get a job with whatever car company you like and make a difference. This is what I did. Only I did it in my profession. And working in manufacturing for a medical device company, with FDA regulation, we know very well a 3% failure rate is globally acceptable. That's a documented fact.

But, instead of bitching about it, we strive every day to improve products. And it's influenced far greater from behind the curtain than as a consumer. So, step up, get a position with a car company and make a difference. I assure you, their failure rate is much higher and acceptable. At least until it kills someone, or more likely, a lot.