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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ronjenx
The highlighted part above is true.
However, thay DO have an affect on the air bags. They absorb small impacts, like the 5mph bumper on most other vehicles, without that small impact triggering the air bags.
Removing the crush cans will likely cause air bag deployment when normally they would not have deployed.
Originally Posted by Littlejon
The air bags are triggered by an accelerometer within the vehicle measuring the speed of the vehicle slowing down and using that to determine if you are in a head on collision, roll, etc.... to deploy the appropriate air bags. The bags are in no way, shape, or form tied into the bumper, or anything near the bumper. The cans are no more than over glorified soup cans, and there isn't enough strength in an empty Campbells soup can to support me, let alone my vehicle.
Alright, Littlejon. Back up and re-read my post carefully.
I "in no way, shape, or form" implied the bags are " tied into the bumper, or anything near the bumper."
The cans serve as a means to mitigate the rapid deceleration of a hard mounted bumper. That is what's in the message of my post. That is what the crush cans do. They are there because the JK has no 5mph bumper like almost all other vehicles have today.

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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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thay DO have an affect on the air bags. They absorb small impacts, like the 5mph bumper on most other vehicles, without that small impact triggering the air bags.
Removing the crush cans will likely cause air bag deployment when normally they would not have deployed
To me you are saying that in a low speed accident the crush cans "may" keep the air bags from going off. I have spoken to a Jeep engineer, and they said it is there mostly to protect the frame in a low speed impact, and also partly for federally mandated safety standards. They will never keep an airbag from deploying,. It is just there so that if you ever get into a low speed accident that just happens to be exactly lined up with the frame rail, they may allow save you from having some frame damage.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Littlejon
To me you are saying that in a low speed accident the crush cans "may" keep the air bags from going off. I have spoken to a Jeep engineer, and they said it is there mostly to protect the frame in a low speed impact, and also partly for federally mandated safety standards. They will never keep an airbag from deploying,. It is just there so that if you ever get into a low speed accident that just happens to be exactly lined up with the frame rail, they may allow save you from having some frame damage.
I would agree with that. Yes, I may be assuming too much in the crush can's role. I'll have to review the Fed Safety Standard on the bumper, because I believe it covers absorbing impact with minimal damage, and without bag deployment.
I do know the bags are not tied to the bumper. I was saying removing the cans could cause a more rapid deceleration in a small impact.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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I didn't think you could even get an aftermarket bumper on there without taking the crush cans off. I have a smittybilt front bumper and there is no way to attach it without taking all the oem bumper crap off
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by WilliamAWebb
I didn't think you could even get an aftermarket bumper on there without taking the crush cans off. I have a smittybilt front bumper and there is no way to attach it without taking all the oem bumper crap off
AEV , ARB, and Mopar are the only companies reusing them.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JK-Tex
Is it really a good idea to discard the crush cans? Couldn't this interfere with the operation of your airbags?

I don't really care about airbags in low speed stuff, but if I'm ever in a serious collision I damn skippy want them to work properly.
Check out this thread:

https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/modified-jk-tech-2/front-bumpers-air-bag-compatible-83621/
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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I just taped some empty soup cans under my Rugged Ridge bumper.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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In Europe we do not have those "crush cans" at all..

Instead we have this beatifull bumber desing, wich is feather like plastic POS, and defenately meant for pedestrian safety and nothing to do with airbag deploymet or car frame safety...If you kick the palstic bumber it will have a dent.
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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Anything that absorbs impact will reduce the possibility of air bag deployment. But the window of effectiveness is quite small. You have to hit the cans first and be driving less than 5 miles above the minimum bag deployment speed. So basically if the bag opens at 20mph.. your cans are effective between 20 and 24 mph assuming you hit the cans perfectly. If you hit a tree and miss the cans, they don't do squat for you. If you only hit one can... your effective window is cut in half. So basically, unless you are good at winning the lotto... do not worry about the cans.

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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 2climbbig
Anything that absorbs impact will reduce the possibility of air bag deployment. But the window of effectiveness is quite small. You have to hit the cans first and be driving less than 5 miles above the minimum bag deployment speed. So basically if the bag opens at 20mph.. your cans are effective between 20 and 24 mph assuming you hit the cans perfectly. If you hit a tree and miss the cans, they don't do squat for you. If you only hit one can... your effective window is cut in half. So basically, unless you are good at winning the lotto... do not worry about the cans.

They probably have specific test procedures to comply with, to pass federal requirements. It would be the perfect scenario to test the cans. They run it into a wall, square on, at 5mph, the cans crush, no bumper damage, no bag deployment, and it passes the test. It's a lot cheaper system than having the bumper mounted to two recoil shock absorbers like a lot of vehicles have.
I would think it's the only way to have a solidly mounted bumper on the Jeep. After all, people mount winches and tow hooks on the front bumper.
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