almost nothing is over engineered today. trying to make all $ profit they can.

 

You mean the same company that designs Ferrari? So what's wrong with Fiat?

 

I understand the leak , but having engine pulled out with 5 k miles on it....wtf?! And shifter breaking off in my hand? Now heat no workie and Chrysler simply tells me they don't know when the parts will be available to fix it! They build brand new vehicles but don't have parts to fix them when they break? That's crazy.....

 

i work in engine assembly and can tell u most manufacturers keep no spares , they have componentry for what they intend to build . period . welcome to lean manufacturing where parts are sequenced to build numbers and if something is jacked it goes offline until replacement parts come in . and they are not about to let a unit go unbuilt just to get parts to someone . it is what it is

 

The only problem I've had with my 2012 JKU is the tiptronic shifter being to sensitive when downshifting. I brought it up to the dealer while getting my oil changed and they said they would have a look at it. They told me it was the shifter and it would have to be replaced and that they would order a new one in for me. 3 days later they called me to say it was in and the day after that, they installed it. Haven't had a problem since. As for which domestic brands are better well, I don't know. I used to work for an automotive rental company and trying to get ANY warranty work done by GM was like pulling teeth. They'd be like Oh we can fix it next month for ya. Chrysler and Ford were always telling me to bring it right in. I used to be a hardcore Chevy guy but after that I swore up and down that I would never buy a new chevy product.

 

Lets see I have a 2008 Rubi with 73k miles. Still love it and drive it off road the max care lifetime warranty has been used 3 times with $100 deductible no questions asked for repairs by my dealer. That $1500 for the extended warranty has already paid for itself.

Dealer and Jeep was so nice I got the wife an Avenger now 53k miles later all that has been done is maintenance and tires. That $1500 warranty has not been used.

Two years later in 2010the subaru started to knock at start up so I bought the wife a 2009 unlimited leftover in 2010. 18k miles and only maintenance was done nothing has broken at all. $1750 extended warranty has not been used yet and until January I still have 36 month warranty on it. But its never been in to get anything fixed.

Now its late 2012 and I just bought a Dodge Dart with a turbo. Have had it less than a week and I bought it because I think Chrysler has good quality. Plus you can still buy the lifetime warranty. This time $2160 prices have gone up.

So for me its good quality vehicles a dealer who knows what they are doing and with a lifetime warranty you cant go wrong.

 

vehicles today are far more reliable than in the past u dont see hardly any vehicles made since the early 90s except maybe fuel injected imports with over 200k miles . older carbureted cars didnt last that long simply because less precise fuel metering and spark control are not compatible with long enginelife . there are exceptions but very few . most of what u see now are electrical and component failures . and as a percentage of vehicles built total lemons are far and few between . computer aided design has helped too with more precise tolerances and fitment

 

I do have to say the old 318 v8 was tough as nails,friend of mine has a 79 Plymouth trail duster (rare) and one drunken night he decided to sink it in a pond .....engine died from sucking water, pulled plugs out spun it over put them back in and she fired right back up! That's tough!

 

I dont think todays vehicles are considered disposable. Look back at vehicles from the 70s or 80s. Most needed an engine rebuild or overhaul before 100k miles. Now its nothing for a vehicle to log 200k miles without major repairs. There are some cars that are easier to just crush than fix, but Jeep isnt one of them. You can see them all running down the road, CJs, TJs, YJs, ect. The JK will be the same way.

 

older vehicles are also more maintenance critical than newer ones . i like working on anything and everything , but nowadays most can change oil or a tire